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Post by dannyboy69 on Jan 4, 2009 18:09:17 GMT
Have just been on this page and looked at some of the things offered at public stud!!
In these times of accute economic of hardship, I think it would be an aweful lot kinder to have several of these animals GELDED, as they might well be loved by the people who own them, but remember, you are owners of the pregenitors of the next equine generation.....Several are poor examples of their breed and vastly over priced at that, better to leave the mare empty than use some of them.
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Post by stallion owner on Jan 4, 2009 18:22:51 GMT
I suppose it depends what you are looking for and wanting to breed but must say as much as many don't put enough thought into breeding to generalise like you have is a little OTT imo, particularly calling them 'things'!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2009 10:37:25 GMT
i guess they will come to there scenes and castrate them when they have no mares booked in or there stock isn't selling.
the sad fact is alot of people think there horses are perfect, can't see the wood for the trees, they just see there lovely colt is the best they have seen and he is so cute when he licks there face.
this unfortunately for them are not the requirements for a good stallion, nor are the four socks or the fact that he is nearly as big as his mum and he is only a yearling.
i have seen some 'future stallions' that resemble partbreds at best.
but it is however up to them at the end of the day, it is there horse and they can do what they like, they will always see what they want when they look at there 'stallion' and naturally assume that you are just jealous and nasty if you don't agree.
i will admit i am jealous of some people stallions but they are the ones constantly in the top 3 at the top shows or lingering at the top of the sire ratings, not the home bred, never shown, baby of there favourite mare, we were so lucky that the first foal we bred was so stunning stallion!!!
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Post by MorwenstowStud not logged in on Jan 28, 2009 17:01:18 GMT
Have just been on this page and looked at some of the things offered at public stud!! In these times of accute economic of hardship, I think it would be an aweful lot kinder to have several of these animals GELDED, as they might well be loved by the people who own them, but remember, you are owners of the pregenitors of the next equine generation.....Several are poor examples of their breed and vastly over priced at that, better to leave the mare empty than use some of them. One word... Grading |
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Post by Milliesmum on Jan 28, 2009 17:15:00 GMT
exactly.
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Post by ponymum on Jan 29, 2009 9:19:10 GMT
I have read this thread with interest, and as Drenrowstud said - grading, I thought all stallions had to be licensed and graded, Do they not? It is interesting as i often ponder why at shows every year i see less and less stuff that excites me and wants me to go out and buy a similar stamp...Generally I pick the winner of a particular class, but years ago, you literally had dozens to choose from, now not so  |
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Post by sarahp on Jan 29, 2009 9:56:22 GMT
Actually the only D stallion have ever I bought was LAST in the class when I picked him out - but a ridden class and he was a very immature, unfurnished and green 4yo, albeit with the most fantastic natural paces and breeding to die for. In a few years time he came out again under saddle, with extremely good results including qualifying twice for HOYS and winning 10 Olympia classes over two seasons although he never did quite qualify. And he's the sire of my current very exciting young stallion. Moral - look further than the class winner and look with attention!
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Post by morwenstowstud on Jan 29, 2009 12:54:29 GMT
I have read this thread with interest, and as Drenrowstud said - grading, I thought all stallions had to be licensed and graded, Do they not? It is interesting as i often ponder why at shows every year i see less and less stuff that excites me and wants me to go out and buy a similar stamp...Generally I pick the winner of a particular class, but years ago, you literally had dozens to choose from, now not so Just to correct, it was me that said grading. I wouldn't want Drenrowstud brought into a discussion that she hadn't actually commented on, so better to put that straight. Stallions must be licensed but there is no compulsary grading. Some societies have grading, others merely require a vetting which in my opinion is not enough. A vetting will only show up any major defects but will not take into account whether the stallion is a good example of it's breed/type, has correct movement for it's breed/type etc etc. With some societies anything with 2 testicles and no major defects will pass a vetting and gain a stallion license, even if it is not a good example of it's breed/type. |
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Post by halfpass on Jan 29, 2009 13:49:06 GMT
I would also like to add to this thread, any body can stand a stallion at stud, with no experience, or suitable fasilities for visiting mares. We no longer send our mare out, but we have been to look at some stallions, liked them, had a look around where our mares would be kept and decided not to send the mare, I also think the stallion owners should look at the mares that visit their stallions.
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Post by ponymum on Jan 29, 2009 13:58:46 GMT
Yes, I stand corrected morwenstowstud!! I agree with both your comments and also half pass....If I was standing a stallion, I would be very picky what I allowed him to cover...Interesting, that nearly all the stock from Scoundrel is nice..., Yet other youngstock from other similar types are hit and miss... SarahP, You misunderstood me, what I meant , is the only stuff that I liked was generally the one the judge also liked! Im not saying I liked it because it won, I'm saying that as a judge , that would of been my winner...  |
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Post by rosemary on Jan 29, 2009 14:52:35 GMT
I own my own stallion who is homebred, he only covers my own mares which is only 3 so he's not over-worked, alot of people would say its a waste of timehaving him but i dont have to cart my mares about like i had done in the past?.alot of people have told me to cut him as he only stands at maybe 13hhs, but i have had lovely stock which all have been sold, the most important thing is i know and trust him he has fab temperment,and i love him
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Post by teddydog on Jan 29, 2009 20:03:42 GMT
This is interesting reading we have 5 stallions. All have a license and are proven (1 being one of the top Riding pony sires in the world) but we are by trade working farmers. Visting mares are offered top class grazing on our 750 acres but we dont have post and rail paddocks and posh (as i call them) facilites. We know our job and dont miss many mares. But the place looks and is a working farm. Would we concidered not having suitable facilities?
I do agree that there are some stallions advertised that are not of a high enough standard to stay entire and it is very worrying when i see some pictures on here and think oh my god! The problem is that the likes of the NPS only have a vet do a short vetting and they must have the correct blood lines then they pass even if not upto standard. there are no breed standards and vets are not judges or know the standards just looking for certain faults.
My point Every society should have a grading process and not allow a stallion to cover just because it has good breeding!!
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