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Post by Mari on Jan 14, 2009 9:22:59 GMT
Just wondered how you all get a 5yrs FR pony to go in an outline constantly for a small jockey while being ridden. My friend has a pony and we have tried everything - she has had all her teeth checked and back checked and there is nothing wrong. She is a strong character. She will bring her head in for a while and then she is back to strecthing her neck right out   She had been ridden in a bungie and she knows what it is you only have to show it to her and she bring hers head in and it stays there unitl you take it off. She is a lovely pony and well balanced and is regularly lunged on the passeoa (sp). Just wondered if anyone else has had this probelm and if anyone could shed any ideas to help.  Thanks.  |
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Post by welshcobs83 on Jan 14, 2009 12:58:35 GMT
Personally i think a bungee doesnt do anything, and a pessoa encouranges them work lower through their backs.
Being a mare and a strong character like mine is you have to ask them rather than tell, but as your jockey possibly wont be strong enough to ask for her to take the bridle maybe you could try lunging her in side reins to remind her where she is supposed to be, i always revert back to the roller and side reins, not tight but not baggy.
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Post by fearnley on Jan 14, 2009 13:11:32 GMT
hi sorry but there's no quick fixes to this problem you need correct schooling and back to basic's. I wouldn't use a bungie as your just forcing the pony into a false outline and then as soon as you take it off "up pop's the head again". how old is the jockey? is jockey very tiny??
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Post by Mari on Jan 14, 2009 13:25:53 GMT
hi sorry but there's no quick fixes to this problem you need correct schooling and back to basic's. I wouldn't use a bungie as your just forcing the pony into a false outline and then as soon as you take it off "up pop's the head again". how old is the jockey? is jockey very tiny?? She is a small jockey yeh but not tiny, but eventually she will be ridden by a tiny. the bungie is occassionlly used but very very slack she is clever and she automatically puts her head in, she onlys has to see it coming i think. I no there is no quick i am not expecting there to be i just wondered if any one else could offer a surcession! |
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Post by fearnley on Jan 14, 2009 13:29:10 GMT
the bungie is occassionlly used but very very slack she is clever and she automatically puts her head in, she onlys has to see it coming i think. I no there is no quick i am not expecting there to be i just wondered if any one else could offer a surcession![/quote] lol lots of hard work then |
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Post by Mari on Jan 14, 2009 13:31:18 GMT
yeh i reckon so!!
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Post by fearnley on Jan 14, 2009 13:32:08 GMT
any pics??
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Post by fearnley on Jan 14, 2009 15:21:36 GMT
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Post by Mari on Jan 19, 2009 9:31:24 GMT
Personally i think a bungee doesnt do anything, and a pessoa encouranges them work lower through their backs. Being a mare and a strong character like mine is you have to ask them rather than tell, but as your jockey possibly wont be strong enough to ask for her to take the bridle maybe you could try lunging her in side reins to remind her where she is supposed to be, i always revert back to the roller and side reins, not tight but not baggy. Strong character Welsh A Mare not a good compo!!! |
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Post by hunter on Feb 4, 2009 19:51:27 GMT
dont be tempted to ride in side reins ( extreemly dangerous ) lunge her in them with saddle or roller with crupper (cross side reins over neck ) dont have them too tight and remember she has to have the musscle to carry her self in an out line so it wont establish its self over night . As with all things equine " one step forwards and four steps back " ,good luck x
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Post by bemused on Feb 5, 2009 17:57:17 GMT
Had this problem too for a while. Agree using a pessoa is always a good idea, I also used a snaffle gag for schooling. Also, on the basis that every little helps, always feed food and hay off the floor and ensure that you have a low stable door. This helps to ensure that you are not building muscle in the wrong places ie under the neck. Hay nets tied high are a no no and having to stretch up over a stable door doesn't help either. We also used a lot of small circling when schooling as it is more difficult to stretch out the neck when doing this.
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Post by quilmore on Mar 28, 2009 15:00:09 GMT
I would suggest regular lunging in side reins not really tight just enough to ask her to tuck her nose in. Also getting a lightweight adult to school her will help as she needs to establish that she is being asked to work correctly with a rider on and needs to be taught that when shes asked this is how she should go. she is only 5yrs so she is probably not a muscled in her neck and back as say an older pony who has been in training for more seasons so don't expect her to stay in an outline all the time. build up the period over time as until the muscles are their it will hurt after a short period, this is why dressage tests are shorter at lower level as horses must build muscle and strength to hold themselves for longer.
having her schooled so she understands what she is being asked, you can then explain to the child that to ask for what you want the pony to go like they have to ask in a certain way. you will be suprised how much a child will understand if you explain what you want and how to get it. you can't expect a 5yr old pony to just do it.
good luck with it all and let us know on your progress
jo
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Post by sophieandcallum on Mar 28, 2009 15:35:39 GMT
I have tis problem with my highland, but I can't use side reins or anything to bring his head in on the lunge or being ridden as he just goes off his head! It's restrictive and he hates it, so all we are doing is work work work ;D
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Post by sarah00000 on Mar 28, 2009 17:53:00 GMT
I teach my kids to ride on the bit, with the help of a Pee Wee bit. First on the lunge, then off, riding lots of cirlces and transitions. No need for side-reins. The bit itself does 90% of the work, in a very kind way. The child then learns how to ride the pony forward into the contact, and then can do the same thing in a snaffle, once established.
Mine all school in pee wee and then show/dressage in a little tiny myler.
My lead-rein was a Section A mare. She firmly believes she is a 16'2 warmblood and refused to go on the bit full stop for little tiny riders, unless they were on the lead-rein. Bigger riders fine, but not the little ones.
I think thats why, the true beginners first ridden, that will oblige their tiny jockeys, by working in an outline, are worth their weight in gold!
Good luck!
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Post by dipsey on Apr 1, 2009 7:09:15 GMT
Hi lovepink reading your answer to FIRST RIDDEN.S going in an outline, and was wondering where you bought your Pee Wee Bit and tiny Myler.
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Post by sarah00000 on Apr 1, 2009 10:07:49 GMT
All off the net. Google pee wee bits, they are everywhere now. Sometimes myler bits come up on ebay, and sometimes Horse Gossip FOR SALE has them. Very unusual to get pee wee bits 2nd hand, as they are fairly new and also a piece of equipment, most people would never sell!
They have really been a god send for me. I am a riding instructor and half of my clients, now use pee-wee's for every day schooling and hacking. They are so tiny in the horses mouth, that the horse doesnt open his mouth to resist at all. Brilliant for horses with little mouths or fleshy tongues. (If you can see your horses tongue, sticking out of his teeth, at the sides, when he is at rest, that means he/she has a fleshy or large tongue).
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Post by dipsey on Apr 2, 2009 19:35:16 GMT
Thank you for that info lovepink I,m going to invest in this pee wee bit and also try a myler bit tried most things maybe this will do the job.
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Post by suprisepackage on Apr 2, 2009 20:27:26 GMT
What type of myler bit do you get and I used a pee wee bit that my mum bought and it did not seem to work I think I must have been using it wrong
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Post by sarah00000 on Apr 3, 2009 8:45:51 GMT
Fitting the pee wee to start with is a little complicated! There is a video if you google "fitting a pee wee videio".
I lunge in it first with side reins, to let the pony/horse get used to it. See if he or she, starts to drop her head into an outline. If she does, then you can try. You need to have nice soft gentle hands and push with "leg into hand". Keep your hands, still, soft, but dont give them away. If you are still struggling, get an instructor to have a sit and see how she manages. I did this with my son and had to say "sorry mate, its your riding" she is as easy as peasy to get into an outline in this bit. He didnt like that much, but got back on and succeeded in 10 seconds flat!
A lot of places will let you "try" before you buy, the pee wee. Obviously no bit suits everysingle horse!
I use a hanging Myler, to compete. But some of my pupils go into a hanging myler straight bar. You can often get these on ebay or second hand.
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Post by suprisepackage on Apr 3, 2009 11:11:51 GMT
Great thanks I will get my pee wee back out and have another try
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She had been ridden in a bungie and she knows what it is you only have to show it to her and she bring hers head in and it stays there unitl you take it off. 
