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Post by pondering on Aug 8, 2014 15:35:43 GMT
We are HP and have qualified for HOYS first time ever.... we are considering sending the pony to a producer after champs to give us a chance with the other big boys.... do you consider this cheating ..or would you do the same if you had the opportunity....... ? Do you think a producer would take us on for such a short space of time ??
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Post by Philippa on Aug 8, 2014 15:48:09 GMT
You've made it under your own steam so far so why lose your HP status now. You've proved you can beat the big boys so why even consider it??? Just enjoy the fact you've qualified under your own steam and enjoy the experience.
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Aug 8, 2014 15:57:07 GMT
Post by roxy93 on Aug 8, 2014 15:57:07 GMT
Yeah I was gonna say the same, youve4 done it yourself and proved you don't need anyone I would stay doing it yourself you have just as much chance as everyone else there x
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Aug 8, 2014 16:03:31 GMT
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Post by ponymum on Aug 8, 2014 16:03:31 GMT
I second what is said above!! We qualified x2 under our own steam with our shp and were the only hp in the line up when we were placed! Sadly we havent managed to qualify our 14.2 , I would love to know how many hp 14.2 have actually qualified .... But back on topic , keep your pony at home and go to Hoys knowing you have earnt every second of being there - Good Luck on the day xx
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Aug 8, 2014 16:54:59 GMT
Post by chloesmum on Aug 8, 2014 16:54:59 GMT
Firstly Congratulations and I am sure you will do equally if not better keeping your pony at home as you know the pony and will have that better ridden relationship - HOWEVER - if you are concerned that you won't have the time or facilities to keep riding - for example for us once the clocks go back Chloe cannot ride before or after work so keeping pony fit is a big issue for us, then maybe consider it. I would think however that most producers (good ones) will have ponies for the season so again you might not find someone to take at short notice. I would also think it really important to be close so your rider can still ride regularly and keep the rapport they obviously have. Good Luck and enjoy your time at HOYS you have earned it!
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Aug 8, 2014 18:27:41 GMT
Post by the showing register on Aug 8, 2014 18:27:41 GMT
I would suggest getting some professional help to achieve the polish to stand out both turnout and way of going but keep the pony at home as a family we went to HOYS with produced and home produced animals and the home produced results beat the other sort hands down in the satisfaction stakes !
Sarah
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Post by Don't do it on Aug 9, 2014 18:29:06 GMT
Oh no! When you've done the hard work and qualified, which is the hardest part, don't go let a pro take the credit. We've qualified a few times with homebred/produced and the buzz you get from doing it yourself is absolute magic. Have faith in yourself and enjoy your day.
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Aug 11, 2014 7:04:24 GMT
Post by actuallyitsagoodidea on Aug 11, 2014 7:04:24 GMT
HOYS (if you have never competed there before) is extremely daunting, and to go as part of a "team" makes the whole experience far less stressful and more enjoyable. If you can afford it, then I would say go ahead and put part of the strain on another person! How ridiculous to say that someone else will "claim" your credit. The buzz you will get will be no less whether you go on your own or with another yard.
Sounds like all the people saying don't go are home produced people who have not been to HOYS with a producer, and therefore can't actually tell you how it is going to feel. I;ve done both - and I can promise you that I far more enjoyed the producer version ...
The ins and outs of passes, passports, working in etc etc are a minefield and although it IS possible to do it on your own - why not enjoy the moment? And having someone responsible for doing the last bit of spit and polish as well as offer advice on the go round etc is great.
But you need to do whatever you feel is appropriate - but make sure whatever you decide, you have fun and make the most of a fabulous opportunity!
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Aug 11, 2014 7:15:22 GMT
Post by ponymum on Aug 11, 2014 7:15:22 GMT
Actually ive done both too! And got better results doing it myself!!
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Aug 19, 2014 14:58:33 GMT
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Post by misterben on Aug 19, 2014 14:58:33 GMT
Tough one!
Hoys can be quite daunting first time around but you clearly know what you're doing to have got there in the first place !
I won hoys twice as a home produced amateur. Now paid to ride a pony so I'm technically a producer. But am I truly any different now other than the title???
Main thing is to do what you think you will enjoy the most. It's not about what anyone else thinks. Give yourself the best chance on the day....
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Post by Annanli on Aug 19, 2014 16:51:31 GMT
I adored every second of the stress of preparing for hoys last year but I had a lot of advice and two good producers on the end of the telephone (and I made use of them!) but I wouldn't do it any other way. Go to all the hoys practises and read and ask as many people different opinions and then ultimately do what suits yourself! Finished 2nd at my first hoys so I must have done ok! My girl is now retired and in foal and I have to see I'm really missing doing my neurotic OCD type behaviour in making sure everything is perfect and the daily grooming ritual and checking of rugs and strapping and exercising etc etc etc!!
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Aug 30, 2014 13:21:32 GMT
Post by catkin on Aug 30, 2014 13:21:32 GMT
Competing at HOYS is actually pretty stressful inasmuch as getting around, working in times, knowing where to be and at what time, so in that respect any help you can get would make the experience more enjoyable. However, another angle on this is at HOYS nobody sees anybody other than the rider/handler with the pony in the ring. So it really is down to how much you think a professional could improve the look and way of going of your pony in this short time. Turnout would be another factor to consider. I would give it ago yourself. Take a really useful helper who ideally has been to HOYS before and try really, really hard to enjoy it. Very best of luck
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Aug 30, 2014 20:31:46 GMT
Post by tabbyx on Aug 30, 2014 20:31:46 GMT
I have to say going to HOYS for the first time on your own is a very daunting experience. Last year was my first year riding there, having previously been as a groom. As we had only just bought the pony 2 weeks previously we decided to leave him with his producer to save unsettling him so close to his first HOYS. I think going as part of a team with multiple HOYS wins and championships behind them along with years and years of HOYS experience made a huge difference, not only did we not have to worry about the vet checks, stabling etc. we also went as part of a very friendly, welcoming team which made the whole experience a lot less stressful and much more enjoyable. All we had to do was turn up for me to ride and that was it.(although one tip, make sure you leave in plenty of time for your working in as we got stuck behind the scurry ponies going down to ours). We did far better than our wildest expectations for my first show with the pony and both our first HOYS' and came away with a 5th in an incredibly strong class. I've done 2 years working for a friend which was a brilliant opportunity to go and experience every aspect of it without the stress of taking your own pony, I also got to help with all the preparation at home. I think it is entirely your own choice, although if you don't send the pony to a producer then I'd definitely say take some who has been to HOYS a few times before(preferably with a similar type of pony to the one you're taking) so they know what they're doing as it will take a lot of pressure off you. I would 100% consider using ear plugs, if only for the presentation as it is a very buzzy atmosphere and my pony wasn't plugged now really doesn't like clapping and cheering. Also take comfy shoes as it's a very long way to walk(15 minutes minimum from the stables to the Caldene), rugs for the pony going to and from the Caldene and a stiff drink for you. Well done on qualifying the pony yourself and best of luck with whatever you choose to do
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Sept 2, 2014 9:58:25 GMT
Post by welshiegirl on Sept 2, 2014 9:58:25 GMT
You've done the hardwork of qualifying the pony, Yes it can be daunting and you may feel a producer would give your pony a better shot (because of your own nerves etc not because of their status/who they are!!) however if you let a producer ride at HOYS (if that;s what you're meaning by sending the pony away?) you might feel disappointed that you've not done it yourself, felt you could of done better or wished it could be you sat there, however on the flip side if that doesn't bother you then go for it.
I've not competed at HOYS, I know I'd love to ride my welshies if they qualified however I can understand where you're coming from because for me I wouldn't want my nerves to get in the way and damage my ponies chances. Do whatever you think's best, at the end of the day you've done the hard bit of qualifying so no-one can take that away from you. Maybe have lessons with a producer just to polish everything up and that might set you at ease. Well done for qualifying and good luck. xx
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Sept 2, 2014 10:57:06 GMT
Post by halfpass on Sept 2, 2014 10:57:06 GMT
Instead of having the pony produced for a few week why not ring around a few of the pro's and ask if you can tag along with them at HOYS, they will be able to point you in all the right directions with the stabling, working in times and all the millions of little things that can go wrong, they may even strip the pony in the ring if is the thought of having a "face" with the pony that may make a difference, as you have already done the hardest bit of qualifying just having someone in the background may just give you that bit of extra confidence you might need. Good luck at HOYS, and remember have a fantastic time and enjoy the experience.
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Sept 2, 2014 11:46:12 GMT
Post by Do it! on Sept 2, 2014 11:46:12 GMT
I have done both and will now always go with a producer! as said above far more enjoyable and you get to meet a few, shall we say, connections. Rightly or wrongly connections do help in the showing world! I do however disagree with The Showing Register, my producer does no better at turn out than myself and I do feel that all the expense is not just for a jolly day out its about getting placed. That is why we show isn't it??
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Post by Karen, garrettponies on Sept 3, 2014 14:32:36 GMT
I've watched this with interest. Well done for qualifying! It depends on what you want, you've qualified and come this far on your own merit, all credit to you, it's no mean feat with the hot competition.
I've a number of friends who've qualified and either been placed or won so success can be achieved off your own back. Maybe attend some pre-hoys shows or any master classes that might be on. Get some lessons with a producer if you feel it would be beneficial etc.
I'm sure it's daunting for you, hope you enjoy it and good luck xx
As an aside to my reply, with all the producer bashing and cries of woe for the home produced, I'm surprised so many replies are pro-producer! I know it's hoys and the stakes are high but surely getting there as home produced is a fantastic achievement, HP people can be equally as good ? Just a thought......going back in the cupboard to hide......
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Sept 3, 2014 17:51:28 GMT
Post by arrogorn on Sept 3, 2014 17:51:28 GMT
I have been lucky enough to qualify as an amateur home produced this year.
My first time at Hoys was 2010 with a producer, it wasn't the best experience due to various things none of those the producer fault may I add.
This time It will be me and my family and the normal routine to get ready, and get into the ring. I am lucky enough to have the help of a few producers that will be there if I need them on the run up and on the day. I value their help and assistance but I take great pride in knowing my horse will be put into the ring totally home produced.
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