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Post by manes&muzzles on Oct 14, 2014 22:36:05 GMT
Right Ive been chasing my tail for a few weeks so I dont really know where to start...
I started breaking a six year old mare, shed had nothing done with her and was completely untouched. I have been at this for 3 months, but i see not one bit of an improvement. I started lunging her she was listening to voice commands well, she had the dentist out who found two blinds wolfs teeth and removed them, her saddle has been made to measure and she has been checked all over.
I got on her back wasnt asking for any contact at all just wanting to go forward. I had a nice relaxed walk, an unexplainable unbalanced, non rhythmical trot, and an okay canter striking off correctly on both reins.
Iv tried working on this by doing shapes, transition changes ect. We always finish on a good note and ive tried mixing it up with pole work and hacking.
The mare snatches the reins out of my hands constantly, so much so that she has the ability to haul me out of my seat. I also cant explain how much ground she covers from behind. If you tries passoas or side reins on the lunge even loosely she just bunny hops and rears because she feels like your restricting her in the front. She has so much energy from her back legs she doesnt know where to channel it.
The thing is she isnt a willing mare, she doesnt want to work. She has tried napping, we nipped that in the bud. she is so strong she can literally rag me around the arena, ive had her in an eggbutt snaffle, a loose ring snaffle and a wilkie snaffle. Tried a flash and a martingale. Nothing seems to be working.
Is it just me or am i missing something out??
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Post by Philippa on Oct 15, 2014 6:06:46 GMT
I'd go back to groundwork get her back in the Passos and really work her through it. Let her bunny hop etc but have someone else there with the lunge whip to drive her through it, she sounds like she is just being obnoxious. She's had a longer than average baby life and thinks it's much better than this work thing.
You will probably find that once she accepts what life is about she will be the best horse you've ever owned!!
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Post by catkin on Oct 24, 2014 16:01:26 GMT
I would also have her back etc thoroughly checked
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Post by manes&muzzles on Oct 28, 2014 0:44:04 GMT
She has had her back checked, she also has massage pads on. I think two days ago it was confirmed she is just an obnoxious, pampered witch when I lunged her without aids and she proceeded to run in on me just being an absolute cow for no reason!! The thing what really really drives me mad is she will work beautifully for 15-20 secs at a time and then she p***es about snatching the reins. What a complex mare!x
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Post by lisadundee on Oct 29, 2014 14:05:12 GMT
What did you mouth her in and did you use side reins? Did you long rein? All mine are mouthed the same way, they stand for 2 weeks a few hours a day in side reins, not too tight but with a contact so their head is just about on the vertical, we have a horse walker which is great when mouthing because all mine go on the walker with the side reins which teaches them to walk on into the contact.
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Post by lisadundee on Oct 29, 2014 14:08:27 GMT
I also swear by long reining, I long rein for weeks, with side reins on, again not too tight but a contact there to teach the horse to respect the contact! The long reining is teaching the horse to go forwards / breaks and steering! I do like pessoas and my stallion bronks like hell with it on for the first ten minutes but it's tough! That's cos he doesnt want to work but it's no skin off my nose, il stand there all day if I have tolol
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Post by fanfarefan on Oct 30, 2014 14:33:36 GMT
my first thought is to get someone brave to get her out hunting ,,,, however to me it sounds like there is some restriction somewhere , shoulders , whithers , poll,, jaw , how is she being loose schooled  |
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Post by manes&muzzles on Nov 4, 2014 0:20:20 GMT
Sorry only just had time to com back on-line, she was free lunged just in a head-collar when she ran at me, with no side reins. She hates side reins, she will throw herself on the floor backwards, she has now been lunged in the passoa doing lots of transitions 3 times this past week and after 10 minutes of being a fool she works beautifully for 20 mins. She was mouthed in a breaking bit and then to a standard french link eggbutt. You cant get mad at her either because she always goes one better, so Ive had to control my hormones too. I know someone also mentioned hunting. I took her to summerford park in the summer and although she was as good as gold and jumped a few small jumps she isn't confident enough and i haven't got the confidence her to give her in that respect. I also think that would blow her brains as she is highly strung and pba. Although she resembles part bred shire :0 xx
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Post by manes&muzzles on Nov 4, 2014 0:33:41 GMT
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Post by manes&muzzles on Nov 4, 2014 0:35:17 GMT
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Post by sjw87 on Nov 4, 2014 7:24:55 GMT
If she won't accept contact from side reins, she's unlikely to accept contact from your hands. I presume you started with them loose so she could get a feel for them without being restricted?
I agree that she's unlikely to be being obnoxious and there is more than likely something underlying.
Sent from my GT-I9195 using proboards
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Post by CarolineNelson on Nov 4, 2014 10:18:04 GMT
If you don't mind me saying so, you need to get on a mutual wavelength - love her, don't hate her. Banish your 'hormones' (your expression).
The only way she'll come round and be obliging is if you ask her to work (and to learn) WITH you. Have fun with you. Trust you.
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Post by manes&muzzles on Nov 4, 2014 14:18:09 GMT
I do love her and I completely agree with what your saying. I've gone right back to basics. No I've never fixed she would fight. No she's had them on completley loose and not even on contact just to get a feel and because she couldn't snatch her head up she blew her top. She has a much better understanding on the Passoa however. Will try to get a video later. I haven't rode her for 2 weeks now, I feel I need her to be rhythmical on the ground first before getting back on board?xx
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Post by CarolineNelson on Nov 4, 2014 16:42:21 GMT
I do love her and I completely agree with what your saying. I've gone right back to basics. No I've never fixed she would fight. No she's had them on completley loose and not even on contact just to get a feel and because she couldn't snatch her head up she blew her top. She has a much better understanding on the Passoa however. Will try to get a video later. I haven't rode her for 2 weeks now, I feel I need her to be rhythmical on the ground first before getting back on board?xx TRUST comes first. Rhythm and all the glorified 'add-ons' will flow, once you and she have stopped fighting - and she eventually learns to trust you. Many years ago, I had complex "Racehorse to Riding Horse" Arabian Stallion to re-train. He'd been highly successful on the racetrack both in the Uk and in the Middle East. And, he'd worked as a stud stallion. My incredibly talented "Radionics" (Distance Healing) Practitioner suggested that I asked him to 'dance with me'. I won't begin to tell you my reply. Suffice to say; I did as I was bid - Three years later, including placing 2nd at RIHS and HOYS, in the passing, he won the coveted title of British National Champion. It took time, an unbelievable amount of patience and a huge amount of (human) "digging deep" - BUT, we achieved. Hang in there with your mare. Mares will 'die' for you if you and they are able to get on the same wavelength.  |
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Post by maisie23 on Nov 12, 2014 18:09:39 GMT
i broke my mare at the age of 6 from being untouched in a field, she was an absolute nightmare but like said above 3 years later we have finally started to come out the other side and she is a pony of a lifetime
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