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Post by the showing register on Nov 22, 2014 11:15:45 GMT
TSR are thinking about putting on a new class at their shows for Novice Rider. Junior and senior. We would welcome your views on what makes a novice rider ie never to have won a first showing or never to have won an affiliated class etc etc.
Please note this has nothing to do with home produced or amateur it is solely to gather opinion on a Novice Rider classification
Either post on here send us a message e mail or we have a post running on our Facebook page
Thank you !
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Post by arrogorn on Nov 22, 2014 11:23:16 GMT
This will almost be impossible to police, think classes such as Walk, trot for Nervous riders is a really good class. First year under saddle, for those older horses that come out later in life as well as the propper babies.
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Post by hack on Nov 22, 2014 12:17:19 GMT
Should it not be the same as for the horse/pony? i.e. Not to have been placed 1st three times at affiliated level, or to have qualified for HOYS/RIHS/Olympia?
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Post by cavalier on Dec 2, 2014 14:59:53 GMT
I think there would possibly be a need to have a totally separate ring where none of the competitors should be competing in the other rings to have a proper policing method and even then it would be difficult!!
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Post by flee on Dec 2, 2014 17:39:11 GMT
what makes a novice rider ! One who thinks showing is an unequivocally fair , unprejudiced and non-biased sport where amateurs can compete on equal terms with professionals and that all are there for nothing more than the love of horses and the sheer pleasure of owning them no matter where they are placed . Oh no . Sorry . That's the definition of a Naive Rider .
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Post by bigmama on Dec 2, 2014 18:36:32 GMT
TSR are thinking about putting on a new class at their shows for Novice Rider. Junior and senior. We would welcome your views on what makes a novice rider ie never to have won a first showing or never to have won an affiliated class etc etc. Please note this has nothing to do with home produced or amateur it is solely to gather opinion on a Novice Rider classification Either post on here send us a message e mail or we have a post running on our Facebook page Thank you ! In direct answer to your question, a novice rider never to have won a first in any equestrian competition, whatever the discipline, in which case, do you really think said novice rider would want to travel to a bigger show such as TSR to compete?
As already mentioned on this thread, such a class would be very difficult to police ... in my humble opinion, I would leave the local riding clubs to have novice rider classes
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Post by the showing register on Dec 2, 2014 21:16:30 GMT
Thanks for all the thoughts. Definitely difficult to police and a good point about them travelling ... We might give it a go in 2015 and see what happens it would only be two classes . Loads of comments on this on our FB page.
I think we all would qualify for Naive rider awards !
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Post by gillwales on Dec 2, 2014 21:44:09 GMT
I think you would only be able to say a first in affiliated classes as there would be no record of un-affiliated, you could state that the pony not to have competed in RHIS or HOYS but impress on the Judges that they are judging the rider and not the pony, you could give a special rosette to the best rider in every class, once again this is not for the pony but how it is ridden, it would give those a chance with those ponies not so good or a with a novice pony the opportunity to have their riding skills recognised, you could then have a final at your championship show.
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Post by sjw87 on Dec 3, 2014 1:18:40 GMT
Ditto all above.
I like seeing novice rider classes at local shows taking the format of a first ridden class so no cantering as a group.
Novice/green horse then totally seperate.
A local to riding club has a 'novice' class with a definition of 'novice horse OR rider'. Absolute carnage if you have a youngster in the ring with a rider new to showing so lacking ring craft and also a lot of judges don't read the schedule at a rc show so on hearing it's simply a 'novice' class, then use their own interpretation when judging it by mistaking it as soley a novice horse class or instead a novice rider class rather than catering for both.
Back to the point, I agree with above that it would be both difficult to police and whether true novices will travel to a show such as TSR. If you're looking at the class as being a stepping stone into affiliated, the quality of rc shows nowadays and amateur champs already more than provides that imo.
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Post by sjw87 on Dec 3, 2014 1:23:48 GMT
impress on the Judges that they are judging the rider and not the pony Genuine question here...do equitation classes still exist? My first ever county experience was an equitation class but don't recall seeing them in recent years... Sent from my GT-I9195 using proboards
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Post by smalley on Dec 3, 2014 7:43:26 GMT
I think novice rider would be hard to say what a novice rider is, as if you say not to have won (or even been placed at) an affiliated show, even over all disciplines, you could get people who have cleaned up for years at every local and unaffiliated show and ridden at national championships for pony club and riding club etc, so couldn't really be called a novice rider. I would say something along the lines of rider must be in their first year of competing, in any discipline. Maybe something about the pony not being to HOYS/RIHS etc as well, and I like the idea of awarding a best rider prize as well.
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Post by gillwales on Dec 3, 2014 7:47:39 GMT
sjw87, I have no idea, when I competed in the 70's they were very common, I think they are a valid class, I think the Judges should have either competition experiance , and I am not talking about showing, or teaching experience. I think you can often tell the difference between judges who have a strong background of equitation and those who often have not sat on a horse or pony but have just been involved in breeding or showing.
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Post by sarahp on Dec 3, 2014 8:15:20 GMT
Agreed smalley, I know people like that with no interest in doing affiliated stuff but very happy at the upper levels of RC and local unaff - and RC Nat Chs are very high level these days. But would they want to go showing? I'd guess not.
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Post by comanchediva on Dec 3, 2014 8:25:17 GMT
impress on the Judges that they are judging the rider and not the pony Genuine question here...do equitation classes still exist? My first ever county experience was an equitation class but don't recall seeing them in recent years... Sent from my GT-I9195 using proboards Our local riding club which is of a very high standard has a full equitation section split by rider's ages
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Post by sjw87 on Dec 3, 2014 11:53:26 GMT
Genuine question here...do equitation classes still exist? My first ever county experience was an equitation class but don't recall seeing them in recent years... Sent from my GT-I9195 using proboards Our local riding club which is of a very high standard has a full equitation section split by rider's ages Sorry, I didn't word it how I meant to as was late - I meant equitation classes at affiliated level/county shows? I know most riding club shows tend to have them but I haven't seen them at county shows for years Sent from my GT-I9195 using proboards
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Post by comanchediva on Dec 3, 2014 13:01:15 GMT
Our local riding club which is of a very high standard has a full equitation section split by rider's ages Sorry, I didn't word it how I meant to as was late - I meant equitation classes at affiliated level/county shows? I know most riding club shows tend to have them but I haven't seen them at county shows for years Sent from my GT-I9195 using proboards Lol I thought it was a strange question! I've never seen one in a County Show schedule either
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Post by mjcssjw2 on Dec 3, 2014 13:34:57 GMT
some County shows around me have them.
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Post by catkin on Dec 3, 2014 21:07:52 GMT
I think you have to think about why you want to run the class. To introduce new people to showing? A very valid reason. But, if that is the case, most often they will also have novice (showing) mounts, not always, but usually. So, you may just end up repeating that class. I think (and know) a lot more RC people are trying showing, but whilst they may be very well mounted for the RC disciplines, these horses are showing novices. Then, you get into the realms of someone not being new, but not successful (yet) so could potentially be a novice for some time. Not necessarily a problem, but again, depends on the original objective for the class. Complicated to say the least but well done TSR for thinking about the competitors (again)!
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