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Post by viking on Jul 27, 2015 10:24:51 GMT
Wouldn't this make sense to the change of it all – I think they know the new format has gone down like a fart in a lift!!! Doubt it matters. Readership down, and a reason to cease paper production... ?
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Post by EqualCoverageNeeded on Jul 27, 2015 12:37:50 GMT
Just playing Devils Advocate...i know it was an m&m show & there should have been more pics of m&m's, but, they do normally get coverage at least every week in H&H, whereas i bet this is the most amoount of coverage the Seniors have EVER had! Last year in the Olympia coverage of H&H, the m&m's had 3 pages worth, but the Seniors had a 1 inch column & this is their only final, no mention of further placings down the line etc - the m&m's get coverage at Hickstead, HOYS, Olympia and shows throughout the year!
Not wanting this to be a pop at m&m's, more at H&H's coverage of shows! Like the m&m's Seniors often have more entires than many of the other sections & don't get me started on the workers - i always know where to look for the workers coverage in H&H - the last paragraph of the report!
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Post by springer on Jul 27, 2015 15:00:40 GMT
I was told by one of the reporters that the new policy for H&H is to only put one photo a year of any horse or pony. I've had a photo of one of my ponies in so I presume if I win a big championship later this year (wishful thinking), there will be no other photo. The producers will have a lot of photos as they ride many horses & ponies. Very strange!
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Post by sarahp on Jul 27, 2015 17:34:49 GMT
Surely it's the horses and ponies that matter, not the faces on top? Not strange at all.
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Post by Guestless on Jul 27, 2015 18:05:45 GMT
I was told by one of the reporters that the new policy for H&H is to only put one photo a year of any horse or pony. I've had a photo of one of my ponies in so I presume if I win a big championship later this year (wishful thinking), there will be no other photo. The producers will have a lot of photos as they ride many horses & ponies. Very strange! Oh really - so they are keeping a log of all the photos to make sure that their new policy is adhered to. I would love to pull them up on not sticking to it, but that would mean paying attention to what they are doing and I lost interest in that a few years ago
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Post by Sadly not on Jul 27, 2015 20:01:12 GMT
Surely it's the horses and ponies that matter, not the faces on top? Not strange at all. You would think it should be the horses and ponies that matter but many times a major win by an amateur is hardly given lip-service whilst there will be a big write up and photo about a minor win for a professional. Some of the contributors are much worse for this, one producer/columnist in particular bigging up his friends. It's quite sickening
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Post by sarahp on Jul 27, 2015 21:13:43 GMT
My remark referred to the practise of only putting up one photo of any horse/pony as noted by springer above, nothing to do with the write up.
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Post by Toilet on Jul 27, 2015 22:00:57 GMT
I find it more interesting reading the back of a demestos bottle sat on the loo than I do the showing section in horse and hound.
A quick flick over the 2 pages of h&h in spar on my dinner every Thursday, saves me however much it is now a week. Would rather pay the £5.99 yearly subscription fee to showing world to read online, far more interesting stuff in there, just a shame they don't come out more often!
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Post by Sadly not on Jul 27, 2015 22:30:25 GMT
My remark referred to the practise of only putting up one photo of any horse/pony as noted by springer above, nothing to do with the write up. My remark refers to both! Can't see the difference to be honest it's all the same principle
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Post by DogsDinner on Jul 27, 2015 22:51:24 GMT
Fatcob made some good points above. The shame of it is that the H&H has, or used to have, a large, traditional, paper-based readership, and I would wager that the vast majority of its readers are still not typically online all the time, or fantastically web-savvy. The problem is, that people who sit at desks all day in offices, who are permanently attached to a keyboard, make decisions about having to invest in an online presence at the expense of printed editions and forget that digital media is not second-nature to the vast majority of people who live and work with horses and that on the farm, in the lorry, sitting round the kitchen table, settling down with a night-cap whisky, having your Thursday morning coffee after doing stables... what you want is a good read of who is doing what in your chosen discipline, and lots of horse-related news and you want to thumb through it in print, you don't want it online because you don't have access to a computer on the yard/in the kitchen/in the lorry/etc, and your smartphone doesn't get any reception even if you could find it in your yard coat/under a bucket/on the hay stack...
By following the digital trend at the expense of print H&H has signed its own death warrant, and it therefore becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. The people at the desks think they should reduce investment in print because the market is moving towards digital, and then the printed edition deteriorates, and so people stop buying it, and the people at the desks believe they are proven right because their readership has indeed shrunk. What they should have done is exactly as Fatcob describes.
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Post by sarahp on Jul 28, 2015 8:52:39 GMT
Sadly not- if you reread springer's post it specifically mentioned photos and didn't mention comment.
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Post by welshiegirl on Jul 28, 2015 11:40:41 GMT
EqualCoverageNeeded , I would love to read your H&H because the last few times i've seen it it's been all plaited, hunters or cobs,same old faces, I bought a copy when my instructor won & qualified for HOYS at Three counties and went HOYS champion,they were told the write up would feature in the magazine, not one pic of an M&M or even a mention of them! I remember when the reports used to be interesting and not just the same people, now I wouldn't even pick it up for a flick through! The Yorkshire Show coverage is ridiculous, The classes are huge, D's, Fells&Dales having 40+ in and no coverage of the winners or champion?? M&M's are so highly supported and deserve the coverage, to win a class of that size is such an achievement! I was proud of my 10th place but when they won't even put 1sts up what hope do I have lol!
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Post by CarolineNelson on Jul 28, 2015 12:25:49 GMT
What is with the Horse and Hound...? I bought this week's issue especially for the report on the North of England In-Hand and M&M Show report, - editors please note that the clue is in the name of the show!!! - and there is NOT ONE photo of an M&M pony, not one, not the Torne Valley Supreme, not the HOYS qualifier champion, not the M&M mini champion, none. But there are three, yes that's 1, 2, 3, from veteran/SSADL classes. No disrespect at all to the latter and it is great to see these older ponies gracing the pages of what used to be the weekly bible, but come on please reporters... the North of England series has a horse show, a pony show, and the In-Hand and M&M show, so surely there should be some good representation of M&M ponies in the report from this show. That's the final straw for me with this magazine. I used to buy it for all the show results, but these are no longer published, although I note that dressage results are still published. Editorial content seems to have given way to full-page photos, which obviously fill up more space for less cost and devalue the magazine for the reader. Does anyone actually like the new format? Hold on a minute. It's well known that Reporters are allowed only x no. of words / article. Call me old -fashioned but I agree with the post in which it's accepted that some still prefer to sit down and READ a copy of a MAGAZINE; not just glance over digital print. Actually, in regard to your criticism above that no M&M's were reported at the Northern Horse Show - that is factually incorrect. With regard to the actual content within this well-known weekly magazine, perhaps if some were to read other published articles (Veterinary, Show Jumping, Dressage, Hunting [clue in the title here, Horse and HOUND] Racing, Endurance Saddlery and so on), they might become a little less blinkered and thus better informed about the Equine Industry in general. And with regard to excellent Northern Horse Show coverage of the £1000 (Richard Leeman Sponsored) SSADL Championship, in this instance this was undeniably a superb Final and fully deserving of print.
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Post by Sadly not on Jul 28, 2015 14:14:50 GMT
sarahp I don't need to reread, I saw(and understood) it first time thank you! I was merely adding to the conversation if that's OK with you
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Post by sarahp on Jul 28, 2015 14:19:17 GMT
Understood by extrapolation? No need to be unpleasant.
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Post by CarolineNelson on Jul 28, 2015 16:34:39 GMT
I find it more interesting reading the back of a demestos bottle sat on the loo than I do the showing section in horse and hound. A quick flick over the 2 pages of h&h in spar on my dinner every Thursday, saves me however much it is now a week. Would rather pay the £5.99 yearly subscription fee to showing world to read online, far more interesting stuff in there, just a shame they don't come out more often! You obviously learn little from the Domestos Bottle. (d emestos?) You are not 'sat' on the loo. You 'sit' on the loo. Perhaps you should read the H&H! If you were a Member of a Breed or Showing Society/Association, I believe I'm right in thinking that you can be mailed the Showing World for free. Actually, that too, in my humble opinion, is very 'centred' and attuned to certain individuals so, as an old fashioned all-rounder, I still prefer the admix which the H&H provides.
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Post by Sadly not on Jul 28, 2015 16:43:22 GMT
No need to patronising either SarahP I do not need to be told to reread a post!
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Post by sarahp on Jul 28, 2015 16:55:42 GMT
I didn't start this and have been polite. Can you please leave me alone.
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Post by CarolineNelson on Jul 28, 2015 18:18:54 GMT
I didn't start this and have been polite. Can you please leave me alone. Forums - Not for me I'm afraid. I feel for the poster SarahP. It seems that the more that GENUINE people try to help, the more they get knocked back. I think I'll stick to my other world, that of breeding and trading Pedigree sheep. Far less hassle, far more camaraderie. Having compromised my real job (for many months) to play a major part in a HOYS Q show which took place last week, I've decided I'd prefer to chew nails. You are a very hard lot to please these days.
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Post by gillwales on Jul 28, 2015 18:53:31 GMT
It does make me wonder if the owners of H & H have no realised that the equestrian world do not like what it has become, it must have lost readers from what I have read on this forum
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Post by pipandflo on Jul 28, 2015 20:12:55 GMT
If you don't like it they are asking for folk to travel to two venues to give feedback...... for which they will give you £35.00 in vouchers for shopping( possibly not Tesco). Do these people live on planet zog?
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Post by pictures on Jul 29, 2015 15:05:16 GMT
I've noticed the quality of pictures in the showing reports has dramatically decreased too. I assume as the photographers at the events are on the whole excellent, it must be a change in editor not understanding the difference between a good and a bad picture of a horse!
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Post by gillwales on Jul 30, 2015 5:09:39 GMT
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Post by comanchediva on Jul 30, 2015 5:56:40 GMT
I didn't start this and have been polite. Can you please leave me alone. Forums - Not for me I'm afraid. I feel for the poster SarahP. It seems that the more that GENUINE people try to help, the more they get knocked back. I think I'll stick to my other world, that of breeding and trading Pedigree sheep. Far less hassle, far more camaraderie. Having compromised my real job (for many months) to play a major part in a HOYS Q show which took place last week, I've decided I'd prefer to chew nails. You are a very hard lot to please these days. Caroline, please don't let the minority put you off posting on here and running your show. There are still many of us who were brought up by our parents to have manners and be respectful of others. Unfortunately the minority, and I do believe it is the minority, spoil things for the rest of us.
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Post by CarolineNelson on Jul 30, 2015 6:13:17 GMT
Thank you Comanchediva. You are right. It is the minority. But somehow they seem to shout the loudest. Taking lead from another long-running thread in the Guest section, any new-comer to "Showing" would assume that every judge, every competitor is 'bent' and would be put off this game which we have spent a life time in and which we love.
There is corruption everywhere in the world. Because the equine world is smallish, most people will know most other people - there will be some connection, be it meeting once a week in the village shop or chatting at a show. Indeed, as a single child at a boarding school, living very rurally and very few friends at home, showing was my friendship base. I'd not be alone in this.
But 'the minority' as you put it must not ALWAYS assume the worst, the most devious bits of judging. Some of us have been in the 'trade' as it were for a very long time and some of us are as straight as a dye, whatever that is!
Sorry, gone off track from the H&H thread - but to add, perhaps those who don't like the changes made should offer their services to the Editor - gosh, even the photographers have taken a bashing in a post above!
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Post by ponynhorsemad76 on Jul 30, 2015 18:11:08 GMT
Forums - Not for me I'm afraid. I feel for the poster SarahP. It seems that the more that GENUINE people try to help, the more they get knocked back. I think I'll stick to my other world, that of breeding and trading Pedigree sheep. Far less hassle, far more camaraderie. Having compromised my real job (for many months) to play a major part in a HOYS Q show which took place last week, I've decided I'd prefer to chew nails. You are a very hard lot to please these days. Caroline, please don't let the minority put you off posting on here and running your show. There are still many of us who were brought up by our parents to have manners and be respectful of others. Unfortunately the minority, and I do believe it is the minority, spoil things for the rest of us.
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Post by Thejournal on Jul 31, 2015 13:37:35 GMT
I stopped getting H&H a while ago. To many adverts and reporters that are too busy sucking up to professionals and producers. Producers ring their friends (reporters) after shows or collar them at shows to ensure they get their coverage. Those heading classes but not a recogniseable name are lucky to get a mention. I bought the showing journal for a while but cancelled my subscription to that as it also became a forum to worship producers through. I cannot stand some of the features in that, eg that silly etiquette page and the ridiculous self appreciating Dawsons Creek style cob daddy rubbish, that had nothing or very little to do with showing and seemed to be one mans ode to himself, thesaurus on standby. The Showing Journal replies: The Showing Journal has more coverage of amateur, home produced and one horse owners than ANY other showing magazine bar none. We actively encourage their promotion with our 'Amateur rider interviews' and at least 70% of the hundreds of photos we publish each month are amateur riders.
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Post by pipandwill on Aug 1, 2015 5:29:52 GMT
Another boring h&h report this week, all the same producers blah blah blah. The tsr report was the same, all the known producers winning their hoys quals, no mention of any of the other classes at tsr... Very boring, again!!
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Post by the showing register on Aug 1, 2015 6:38:28 GMT
Oh thats really disappointing as we had the Masterclass all 40 of them from all over the country all Amateurs and Amateurs had good results in HOYS classes plus we had loads of other stuff. I think it is partly just laziness and a lack of new ideas.
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Post by clohastia on Aug 10, 2015 16:10:14 GMT
What is with the Horse and Hound...? I bought this week's issue especially for the report on the North of England In-Hand and M&M Show report, - editors please note that the clue is in the name of the show!!! - and there is NOT ONE photo of an M&M pony, not one, not the Torne Valley Supreme, not the HOYS qualifier champion, not the M&M mini champion, none. But there are three, yes that's 1, 2, 3, from veteran/SSADL classes. No disrespect at all to the latter and it is great to see these older ponies gracing the pages of what used to be the weekly bible, but come on please reporters... the North of England series has a horse show, a pony show, and the In-Hand and M&M show, so surely there should be some good representation of M&M ponies in the report from this show. That's the final straw for me with this magazine. I used to buy it for all the show results, but these are no longer published, although I note that dressage results are still published. Editorial content seems to have given way to full-page photos, which obviously fill up more space for less cost and devalue the magazine for the reader. Does anyone actually like the new format? Absolutely agree. Have been buying nag and dog for over 40 years, and have a subscription, but will probably stop it soon. If you are not into dressage, racing or hunting it is a dead loss. The Show edition is such a disappointment, this used to be over a few weeks, there were two at least - three possibly - my memory is not as good as it used to be. Each of these were so thick with pages and pages of stallion adverts from the show pony studs as well as TB studs. What has happened to the list of HOYS qualifiers? This has disappeared. I used to look each week searching for any pony I had bred in the show results, always such a pleasure. I suppose it reflects the economic climate. Sad.
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