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Post by jennipenny on Oct 5, 2015 18:37:03 GMT
I am really struggling to get our young LR pony to hold herself while my tiny 3yr old rides
Pony works well when I ride ... The lunge ... In the Pessoa or if the jockey can send her forward
But as soon as tiny tot on board she just pokes her nose out and looks awful
My little girl is still very wobbly she loves to ride but can not obviously ride her forwards into a correct outline (still not totally mastered the rising trot ! .... Any ideas will be greatly apreciated !!
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Post by ajc on Oct 6, 2015 19:29:16 GMT
Havent a clue how lead rein ponies are produced as I've never had one myself, but maybe try having your daughter ride the pony in side reins loose enough so the pony isn't pinned in but tight enough to encourage said pony to soften onto the bit. Also maybe tie the reins in knots at the right length for the jockey to hold onto??
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Post by Philippa on Oct 6, 2015 20:32:20 GMT
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Post by maddiesmum on Oct 6, 2015 21:02:00 GMT
I would continue with correct schooling off the LR & lunging.
Most little showing ponies when trotting correctly, as in engaging back end, have good self carriage & that's what I've always aimed for. Those that have been tied in front look in an obviously false outline and are all front end, dawdling behind.
This approach never did us any harm with my daughter as a tot results wise, and as your daughter grows, she can help out with squeezing her legs and developing a feel for a contact. Not for long mind, as once they can do that they want the leader to go away! Haha!
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Post by bigmama on Oct 6, 2015 21:15:13 GMT
Many years ago, I read an article which asked Julie Templeton what she looked for when buying a young pony for lead rein and one of her priorities was to look for a pony with a well set-on head and neck for self-carriage ... does your pony fulfil this criteria?
Then add to the equation the words you use ""young pony", "tiny 3yr old", "wobbly", "not mastered rising trot" and the answer is not to expect too much too soon
Train your young pony to go sweetly on the lead rein to your commands/movements without jockey on board and only when he understands what is required and is 100% listening to you, the leader, then put your little one in the saddle and take it from there
Good luck
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Post by jennipenny on Oct 8, 2015 20:46:37 GMT
Thankyou very much for all the above comments
Pony understand very well the expectations from her on the lead she is quiet goes sweetly on the end of the lead totally follows my movements but just is not carrying herself at all she just dawdles along with a pokey nose x
She is not tied in nor has been she has a reasonably light mouth I would say and if anyone who can send her forward of there leg and seat as in ride her forwards into the outline she goes lovely
but on the lead rein does not do this at all x
I don't want to be shot down or anything I am just trying to get the best out of pony for my daughter to be able to compete have fun and have some success x.
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Post by jennipenny on Oct 8, 2015 20:50:17 GMT
Should add pony is very very laid back ! And relaxed ! In all aspects of life lol ! She would happily toddle along like. A blackpool beach donkey if she could.
So therefore iit's not as though she is a forward thinking pony to work with x
( if that makes sense ) x
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Post by orangetails on Oct 8, 2015 21:11:03 GMT
I hope I won't get shot down in flames for this, but as the mum of a not-quite 2.5year old who also rides, if as per your last comment the pony is so lovely and relaxed and laid back, does it matter about the outline? Is showing what you/your daughter absolutely totally only want to do? Surely at just 3 years of age her having fun on a safe pony is more important? Good safe ponies that can give such a young rider confidence are worth their weight in gold in my book. Though I do understand that if you are out showing and never getting placed it might be disheartening for your daughter. Even then though, I'd use the experiences to teach her that it's not all about the rosettes. And pick some family-friendly shows where she will get placed (or get a special or whatever). My daughter has done two shows, the first we didn't have any of the right gear or anything but a friend persuaded us to go and I thought it would be fun for my daughter (who was then just turned 2) she was thrilled to ride with other children! When I say we didn't have any of the right gear she was literally in pink from head to toe - I didn't realise it was quite a serious PC open show, so we looked ridiculous lol! But my daughter loved it, and they gave everyone unplaced a 'special'. Her second show was last month, and as she's got her own Shetland now I bought her some second-hand show clothes, she was placed third in the lead rein class, her pony doesn't go in an outline at all (definitely like your beach donkey analogy! Except she doesn't go in an outline full stop, regardless of whoever is riding or training her!) but is safe and obedient, which is all I care about at this stage.
I suppose if she goes better when ridden more forwards you could see if you can encourage her to be more forwards on the lead rein (without your daughter at first) and see if you can get her carrying herself a little better.
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Post by jennipenny on Oct 9, 2015 14:53:50 GMT
Hi Thankyou very much for your reply !
I think my daughter really wants to show mainly because her friends on the yard all show nothing else so she is following suit ! She isn't aware what the rosettes mean yet ! And I do like it like that at the moment she Just knows that there are different colours although she loves blue lol ! X
They do get placed and maybe I'm being a pushy parent by wanting them to "win" I don't know. But feel there results would be much better and the overall picture would be better.
Our pony isn't a county level show stopper but she is nicely put together
I think as others have said it will take time !
On a plus not these last two days my little girl has cracked rising trot !!! So very very happy
Any other advice is still greatly appreciated !! X
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Post by bigmama on Oct 9, 2015 17:36:09 GMT
Well done little un! wlt see a photo of them together  |
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Post by maddiesmum on Oct 9, 2015 19:19:43 GMT
Whoop whoop to the rising trot! Such a eureka moment when they "get it" x
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Post by catkin on Oct 15, 2015 8:00:04 GMT
Firstly, safety and happiness must surely be your priority now, which sounds like it is sorted. So a good start! I would lunge the pony in side reins to help it understand that it cannot always be ridden into the bridle. Very few children can do this and so your pony, in the future, will have to be able to maintain self carriage. I am not advocating tight tying in though. Then ride with the side reins to continue the education.
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Post by sageandonionagain on Oct 15, 2015 19:57:31 GMT
Orangetails got it right. Really do we need to worry about such things? I struggle with my own riding to ride my horse into self carriage. Its really hard work physically (core strength) and mentally. How one can even contemplate achieving this with a young little pony and a little child is absolutely beyond me.
Lunging with side reins correctly is the equivalent of being ridden sympathetically to the bridle. It is absolutely impossible to teach a little pony that it needs to maintain self carriage all by itself with a little babe on top.
Enjoy your pony.
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Post by jennipenny on Oct 16, 2015 8:22:02 GMT
Thankyou very much everyone for all your tips and advice x
Will try and post some photos of them together ☺️ X
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Post by jennipenny on Oct 16, 2015 8:40:31 GMT
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Post by jennipenny on Oct 16, 2015 8:40:57 GMT
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Post by kateanne0 on Oct 16, 2015 12:04:44 GMT
Lovely happy little pony and jockey. Enjoy what you are doing and the rest with follow. The pony looks lovely on the lead, I would have been quite happy with the pony as it is! Time and patience and it all comes together. Good luck |
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Post by sarah1 on Oct 16, 2015 12:23:58 GMT
Super photos! - and what a big smile! - she looks like shes having a great time! - The pony looks in a sweet little outline to me.
Just enjoy - they look fabulous together!
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Post by orangetails on Oct 16, 2015 13:39:49 GMT
Adorable, especially the first.
I would actually say the outline in the pic with your daughter on is far better than the over-bent frame with the bigger rider.....
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Post by fish2301 on Jun 19, 2016 22:37:30 GMT
Hi, I had a similar thing with our pony. He knows how to carry himself but unless asked by the jockey is very happy to trot along sniffing the daisies. Last year at 5 1/2 my daughter was strong and balanced enough to be able to take up a contact and maintain a good rising trot without the slightest tug on the reins sending her nose into his mane and low and behold he started to carry himself in a lovely outline and our position up the finishing line improved. With hindsight I realised that it was only me that it bothered and that that many judges wouldnt have put us further up the line anyway because regardless of the daisy sniffing pony the child is still an unbalanced passenger and not really a part of the overall picture. Gorgeous pony and child and you have fun times ahead....enjoy it all
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Post by gillwales on Jun 20, 2016 0:13:33 GMT
Most good judges when judging a L/R class will consider how the pony is looking after it's jockey. The most important thing is that it is safe for a little person to be on. These classes are a way of teaching a child ringcraft. Everything will come together. The main thing is that your little girl has fun.
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