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Post by gillwales on Mar 28, 2016 4:47:59 GMT
I really do not understand why a Judge would select animal so deformed, most of us who Judge one type of animal can usually make a reasonable job of picking out a good example of most species, you look for something that is balanced, 4 square etc, but there is no way that these German Shepards fall within basic criteria, please explain to me if you know why.
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Post by viking on Mar 28, 2016 5:32:40 GMT
I really do not understand why a Judge would select animal so deformed, most of us who Judge one type of animal can usually make a reasonable job of picking out a good example of most species, you look for something that is balanced, 4 square etc, but there is no way that these German Shepards fall within basic criteria, please explain to me if you know why. Simply put - because that was the type that the appointed judge liked. |
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Post by kirky on Mar 28, 2016 15:25:40 GMT
Many years ago I had a German Shepard, he was what you would have said true to "the old type" flat backed big boned and built for the job. If you stood him correctly he had the sloping stance and when moved pulling on lead, like they do, he would have a natural slope. I met a top judge, like I said many years ago, who said he was a fine species but unfortunately going back all that time he also added that they are now preferring the ones bred with the roach back and unfortunately that is what we've got now but to a far worse degree. KC must have encouraged this as a breed standard because that's what the judges were looking for and still are by all accounts. Oh and if you ever go to a show the double handling is outrageous, or should I say used to be, but I bet it still goes on.
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Post by 19simeon56 on Mar 28, 2016 19:10:18 GMT
The KC can write a standard, but if breeders breed something different and judges award that animal, is not the KC's fault. Same applies to standards laid down for native ponies. If breeders don't abide by the standard and judges award winning tickets, the Breed Standard is at risk by default. Well said |
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Post by gillwales on Mar 30, 2016 9:17:55 GMT
The KC can write a standard, but if breeders breed something different and judges award that animal, is not the KC's fault. Same applies to standards laid down for native ponies. If breeders don't abide by the standard and judges award winning tickets, the Breed Standard is at risk by default. Well said It is if they continue to allow the deformed breeds to be shown, these breeds need to be suspended from championship shows until corrected. They should introduce grading so that stud dogs HAVE to conform to the breed standard. It is quite simple really. And I do agree with Viking re that the deformed dogs were to that Judge's taste, in which case the Kennel Club must be responsible for removing Judges from their pannel that do not conform with the breed standards. It is definately the Kennel Clubs responsibility as they are the group that holds the breed registration and who hold the shows, set the standards and appoint the judges. It is time for the Kennel Club to stand up and sort this out |
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Post by 19simeon56 on Mar 31, 2016 20:01:32 GMT
Without casting aspersions on anybody,like a lot of Clubs it is often a case of you scratch mine and I'll scratch yours,what happens in the dog world is happening in the horse world as well.How many stallions can you think of that you would geld because of serious imperfections but that have done well in the ring (usually in-hand)? In my book ALL breeding stock should be graded and then the progeny should also be taken into account.In the farming world bulls on AI studs are used for a certain length of time and are then laid off-I think for 5 years,once their offspring are on the ground they are then assessed and depending on whether they are beef or dairy the different traits are all taken into consideration,if the offspring aren't up to standard the bull is then slaughtered.It's a pity something along those lines doesn't apply in the pet/horse world although the slaughter bit wouldn't apply but neutering would be mandatory
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Post by sarahp on Apr 1, 2016 8:26:42 GMT
I can see couple of pitfalls in that scenario 19simeon56 - first you would risk narrowing the bloodlines too much in any breed with a closed studbook, I believe although anything but an expert that this has happened in cattle - very many individuals but narrow bloodlines? Second I don't think the finances would add up with ponies!
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