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Post by Philippa on Apr 29, 2016 11:02:23 GMT
Venue changed from Somerford park to Warren Farm. Formby.
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Post by janetbushell on Apr 29, 2016 11:15:07 GMT
Sunday May 1st & post code L37 0AN
(PS remember not to follow satnav from end of M57 or M58 but take the new Formby/Southport link road A5758 - straight ahead at end of M57, from end of M58 keep left onto roundabout & then turn right at first set of roundabout traffic lights)
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Post by thatboythatgirl on Apr 29, 2016 11:57:24 GMT
We've pre entered at this show but that new venue is way too far for us to travel (adding over 50miles)and I bet there will be no refund offered
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Post by Philippa on Apr 29, 2016 12:00:33 GMT
We had a similar issue last week but decided to bite the bullet anyway. Warren farm is a good venue. I was planning on going to this show but changed my mind. I'm not sure I I want to be out showing this weekend anyway. It's freezing.
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Post by thatboythatgirl on Apr 29, 2016 12:04:48 GMT
We are between two shows and I chose 2a as the breeder wanted to come and see the pony, Even with on the day entry fees area 7 will be cheaper than how much more it will cost to get there (if they offered a refund)
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Post by janetbushell on Apr 29, 2016 12:18:36 GMT
We've pre entered at this show but that new venue is way too far for us to travel (adding over 50miles)and I bet there will be no refund offered They have not changed the venue on a whim, it must be a nightmare for the show organisers, so perhaps a little sympathy before you level criticism that you do not yet know is correct & at least you have been informed well in advance, in order to make your decision |
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Post by claired on Apr 29, 2016 12:30:26 GMT
What a shame, Somerford is such a good venue and while Warren Farm is very nice, it is a fair distance from Somerford. I too had pre-entered and WF just isn't practical.
Do we know why it was moved from Somerford. I can't imagine the weather at WF is going to be any better, worse if anything as its on the coast.
I can only guess the x-country schooling field they use for the working hunter classes is out of bounds due to the ground ? Surely the surfaces are fine ?
I agree, nightmare for organisers.
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Post by janetbushell on Apr 29, 2016 12:58:44 GMT
claired - Warren Farm has excellent surfaces & fully drained, all year round grass rings & no issues with parking - always better going as sand based ground. Actually our weather is usually better in Formby because it is protected from the worst with Formby Point acting as a "split" sending the worst either side of Formby itself.
As with Kelsall last week - shows have to do what they can to keep shows going
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Post by claired on Apr 29, 2016 13:22:27 GMT
I agree Janet, WF is a super venue can't complain about that and good news about the weather, that's nice to know. Its just a good hour plus from Somerford, even with the new link road. it adds time and cost to the day. But I appreciate the organisers doing what they can do keep the show on the road, so to speak. Must be a logistical nightmare for them. Lucky they had a venue they could use at such notice. Just a shame Somerford couldn't accommodate them - especially given they now have that huge indoor up and running. Do you know whether the indoor at WF will be used and if so what classes ? I guess how they rejig the schedule will have a bearing on who attends. As I am flying solo with my horse this weekend and not having a groom for the day, being further away from home all adds to the general chaos  |
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Post by janetbushell on Apr 29, 2016 13:33:13 GMT
I have no idea about the arrangements (nothing to do with the show, just helping them get the message out, particularly to those who might be entering on the day) - there is more info on the news page on www.thencpa.co.uk with a number to call |
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Post by katieg14 on Apr 29, 2016 13:55:36 GMT
Any ideas what ring the m&m are going to be on?
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Post by thatboythatgirl on Apr 29, 2016 14:38:58 GMT
We've pre entered at this show but that new venue is way too far for us to travel (adding over 50miles)and I bet there will be no refund offered They have not changed the venue on a whim, it must be a nightmare for the show organisers, so perhaps a little sympathy before you level criticism that you do not yet know is correct & at least you have been informed well in advance, in order to make your decision No its not their fault someford park pulled the plug on them but then it also not the competititors fault either. They have chose to move the show 52miles away from the original showground that's almost 2 hours further away for us and are not doing refunds which I think is bad on them I would not chose to go to warren farm it's to far. But I am not made of money and cannot afford to lose £64 and pay £98 in on the day entry fees elsewhere as they will not refund |
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Post by agent on Apr 29, 2016 14:58:13 GMT
Some competitors come up with all sorts of excuses to refund entries but as this is a genuine case and it was not your fault that they moved too far away, I wonder if they would allow you transfer your entries - was it Area 7 that you were considering as the alternative. If so, I would have no problem doing the admin to transfer at no extra cost if they Area 2a committee would allow
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Post by sjw87 on Apr 29, 2016 16:43:37 GMT
Yes, Somerford have the surfaces but they don't have the space for enough hard standing parking and even with the new indoor (which has been built primarily for their liveries rather than hire purposes), it's a logistical nightmare.
I think it was Derbyshire festival that managed to run a few years ago using the farm ride parking and the surfaces but it wasn't ideal due to the distances involved. Somerford are very precious over their ground and rightly so - they accommodate international events, pony/riding club camps, affiliated jumping/dressage, schooling hire, farm ride AND showing. They can't allow one event to ruin the ground for lots of others.
As much as Warren Farm is a fair trek away from Somerford, I really can't think of any other suitable venues that would be closer, let alone not be booked up already. The option really was to cancel completely or make the venue change as they have done so good on them for doing so.
Hope the show goes well.
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Post by kateanne0 on Apr 29, 2016 16:57:06 GMT
What a shame, Somerford is such a good venue and while Warren Farm is very nice, it is a fair distance from Somerford. I too had pre-entered and WF just isn't practical. Do we know why it was moved from Somerford. I can't imagine the weather at WF is going to be any better, worse if anything as its on the coast. I can only guess the x-country schooling field they use for the working hunter classes is out of bounds due to the ground ? Surely the surfaces are fine ? I agree, nightmare for organisers. Somerford has only 2 arena surfaces, the rest of the classes would be on grass. I would presume that the owner of Somerford has decided that the weather has been so wet that holding the show would damage the land. This has happened many times in the past. Well done to the hard-working committee of 2a in getting the Warren Farm venue and still being able to hold the show  |
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Post by thatboythatgirl on Apr 29, 2016 17:05:39 GMT
Yes well done for changing I'm not denying they've well to find somewhere to hold there scope of classes at such short notice but I think not offering a refund when they've moved it so much further away is unfair on the competitors. It's not exactly up the road
"We will discuss refunds at next committee meeting"
What goods that to people who want to attend another show but need to know if there going to get there money refunded because they don't have an endless pot
Thank you Agent I know next year which show I will go too
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Post by agent on Apr 29, 2016 19:36:00 GMT
Yes well done for changing I'm not denying they've well to find somewhere to hold there scope of classes at such short notice but I think not offering a refund when they've moved it so much further away is unfair on the competitors. It's not exactly up the road "We will discuss refunds at next committee meeting" What goods that to people who want to attend another show but need to know if there going to get there money refunded because they don't have an endless pot Thank you Agent I know next year which show I will go too I have sent you a message |
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Post by kateanne0 on Apr 30, 2016 8:30:39 GMT
We are between two shows and I chose 2a as the breeder wanted to come and see the pony, Even with on the day entry fees area 7 will be cheaper than how much more it will cost to get there (if they offered a refund) A change of venue at short notice is hard on all the competitors. It's not only 2a that might not give refunds, nearly every schedule I look at now there is a notice advising NO refunds under any circumstances. It's a chance we take with pre-entries. |
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Post by bigmama on Apr 30, 2016 19:56:11 GMT
Before anyone disses Warren Farm, it is an excellent venue.
I have been going there since 1989 and have NEVER known them cancel a show due to weather or ground conditions and there is a reason for that:
The going is always excellent, being on well-maintained, grass-covered sandy ground and the working hunter arena in particular is magnificent to jump on.
Besides the indoor arena, Warren Farm have built a H-U-G-E Andrews Bowen surface arena outside and this too is superb.
There is tons of parking space, some on hardstanding and some on well-drained and firm sandy ground.
The Pavilion and it's tv and sofas together with standard tables and chairs and the excellent in-house catering is an excellent addition.
The owners of Warren Farm are very warm and welcoming and always try their best to accommodate everyone.
The new by-pass running from Switch Island (M57/M58 Maghull) through to the Formby By-Pass has made the connection from motorway to Warren Farm swift and effortless.
The prestigious North of England Shows held their Spring show there recently and it was very well received .. just how many of those who say that WF is too far to travel will think nothing of travelling to Arena UK and East of England showgrounds?
Chin up guys ... Area 2A has done it's best to find another suitable venue at very short notice ... Somerford is reknown for cancelling should the ground there show any signs of potential damage due to rain and who can blame them when so many vehicles, many of them HGVs, want to park on the soft ground? The only answer is for Somerford to put in hardstanding parking otherwise I'm afraid it will be more cancellations in future .. 2A has moved it's shows to WF in the past for similar reasons, this is nothing new
I would say give it a go, you may be pleasantly surprised!
Good luck to all competing 2A tomorrow
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Post by thatboythatgirl on Apr 30, 2016 21:21:53 GMT
Before anyone disses Warren Farm, it is an excellent venue. I have been going there since 1989 and have NEVER known them cancel a show due to weather or ground conditions and there is a reason for that: The going is always excellent, being on well-maintained, grass-covered sandy ground and the working hunter arena in particular is magnificent to jump on. Besides the indoor arena, Warren Farm have built a H-U-G-E Andrews Bowen surface arena outside and this too is superb. There is tons of parking space, some on hardstanding and some on well-drained and firm sandy ground. The Pavilion and it's tv and sofas together with standard tables and chairs and the excellent in-house catering is an excellent addition. The owners of Warren Farm are very warm and welcoming and always try their best to accommodate everyone. The new by-pass running from Switch Island (M57/M58 Maghull) through to the Formby By-Pass has made the connection from motorway to Warren Farm swift and effortless. The prestigious North of England Shows held their Spring show there recently and it was very well received .. just how many of those who say that WF is too far to travel will think nothing of travelling to Arena UK and East of England showgrounds? Chin up guys ... Area 2A has done it's best to find another suitable venue at very short notice ... Somerford is reknown for cancelling should the ground there show any signs of potential damage due to rain and who can blame them when so many vehicles, many of them HGVs, want to park on the soft ground? The only answer is for Somerford to put in hardstanding parking otherwise I'm afraid it will be more cancellations in future .. 2A has moved it's shows to WF in the past for similar reasons, this is nothing new I would say give it a go, you may be pleasantly surprised! Good luck to all competing 2A tomorrow Why won't NoE hold there summers shows at WF because they said it's to far for the producer's to travel. East of England is 70miles and arena uk 63 miles ALOT closer than WF. So yes will travel without questioning as well within our 100mile radius unlike 115miles WF My dad has agreed to drive so We are going my alarm is set for 5hrs time to leave for 4am rather than our original 6am. The weather forecast is unfortunately still pretty dire |
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Post by sjw87 on Apr 30, 2016 22:05:15 GMT
To be fair, I don't think anyone was questioning the facilities at Warren Farm. The issue is the extra distance for those coming from the other side of Somerford which was not anticipated at the point of entry.
As said already, I do think that they've done the right by changing venue and there isn't anywhere closer that would be more suited, let alone available at such short notice. Unfortunately though, it does put competitors in a difficult position due to the added time and fuel cost involved.
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Post by Philippa on May 1, 2016 6:54:21 GMT
To be fair, I don't think anyone was questioning the facilities at Warren Farm. The issue is the extra distance for those coming from the other side of Somerford which was not anticipated at the point of entry. As said already, I do think that they've done the right by changing venue and there isn't anywhere closer that would be more suited, let alone available at such short notice. Unfortunately though, it does put competitors in a difficult position due to the added time and fuel cost involved. Sent from my SM-A300FU using proboards I agree. And having competed at Warren Farm for the first time a couple of weeks ago I also can assure anyone who hasn't been that the facilities & staff are fab!! We stayed over and they were more than accommodating. |
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