ta
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Post by ta on Jun 25, 2016 20:59:10 GMT
Whilst I appreciate judging is at times a thankless task can I please ask that even if the horse or pony about to be presented to you to do its show is not to your liking, respect the fact that that competitor has taken the time, trouble and expense of entering that class and should be afforded the same time as those that do tickle your taste buds and they should have your full attention, some blatant disregard for competitors today at mid summer bsps today from some judges.
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s72
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Post by s72 on Jun 25, 2016 22:07:24 GMT
Unfortunately we had the same in a HOYS class yesterday you can see on the video of my daughters show the judge turning away several times to talk to the photographer, this was the case through most of the competitors shows in the class, so disheartening for the children
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Post by gillwales on Jun 26, 2016 16:57:37 GMT
I agree that Judges should set an example on behaving respectfully
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Post by fatcob on Jun 26, 2016 17:59:17 GMT
At warrington and 3 counties I never got to canter past the judges!
They changed the rein before I went past and then asked for gallop.
Paid to be judged so bit miffed!
Ps still managed to be placed but poor judging / stewarding IMHO
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topper
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Post by topper on Jun 26, 2016 18:52:16 GMT
Good stewards only act on the instructions of the judge, so I think it's a bit hard saying poor stewarding,
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Post by waspblue on Jun 26, 2016 20:24:07 GMT
I too witnessed a judge leave the centre of the ring, (whilst waiting for the last few ponies in a class to finish their conformation)to go and speak to their family outside the ring and who cheered heartily when one of their own was placed. I had nothing in this particular class, nor was I supporting or rooting for anyone, I was just a spectator who along with the friends I was sat with, thought it was pretty rude to the competitors in the class, to leave their post whilst the class was still being judged.
Whilst I feel being courteous to the judges, stewards and fellow competitors is absolutely essential, this should also work both ways....respect has to be earned from both sides imo.
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Post by gillwales on Jun 27, 2016 5:06:58 GMT
I too witnessed a judge leave the centre of the ring, (whilst waiting for the last few ponies in a class to finish their conformation)to go and speak to their family outside the ring and who cheered heartily when one of their own was placed. I had nothing in this particular class, nor was I supporting or rooting for anyone, I was just a spectator who along with the friends I was sat with, thought it was pretty rude to the competitors in the class, to leave their post whilst the class was still being judged. Whilst I feel being courteous to the judges, stewards and fellow competitors is absolutely essential, this should also work both ways....respect has to be earned from both sides imo. When you judge you should NEVER talk to anyone outside the ring, you really are setting yourself up for complaints. On the whole I agree with Topper , a good Steward acts on the Judges' requests, however Fatcob has a point, a good Steward can enhance the way a class is run and a bad Steward hinder it. |
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Post by F1J4 on Jun 28, 2016 5:24:18 GMT
Recently I was shocked to see a competitor flounce their way over to start a conversation with the section judge and steward as they waited to enter the ring. In this case the judge was professional about it and could be heard to say "I'm just going to wait down here whilst you chat if you are in my section" she then heads away from the conversation whilst said competitor proceeds to follow her down the pathway rabbiting on! To other bystanders this was clearly an awkward situation which the judge was trying to avoid, other than telling competitor to s*d off what else could she do? It's about time there is a strict code of practice put into place
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Post by pipandwill on Jul 3, 2016 20:09:22 GMT
Please can judges watch all of everyone's show, I unfortunately encountered one today who couldn't really be bothered to watch lower down the line ponies shows as they were looking at their potential winners in the line up... So insulting after how much we pay to go to these shows
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Post by ponymum on Jul 5, 2016 9:14:36 GMT
I have encountered this , and so has my daughter , What you should do , Is cough discreetly , but loud enough for the judge to hear and hence gain their attention. It is really annoying,as recently a few ponies in Hoys have been pulled up from down the line. For example in a Hoys we were pulled last (so I told my daughter to make the judge watch her!!) and my daughter went out a pulled off a blinding show. As she finished her show the perf judge commented she pulled it out the bag and proceeded to go up to 7th and on isnpection of the marks , the conf judge slated the pony otherwise we would of been 3rd :/
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Post by oldschooler on Jul 6, 2016 16:49:49 GMT
I have encountered this , and so has my daughter , What you should do , Is cough discreetly , but loud enough for the judge to hear and hence gain their attention. It is really annoying,as recently a few ponies in Hoys have been pulled up from down the line. For example in a Hoys we were pulled last (so I told my daughter to make the judge watch her!!) and my daughter went out a pulled off a blinding show. As she finished her show the perf judge commented she pulled it out the bag and proceeded to go up to 7th and on isnpection of the marks , the conf judge slated the pony otherwise we would of been 3rd :/ Do you think the fact your were pulled in last had any influence on the conformation mark? Have seen this happen, that's why I am not a fan of pull ins when marks are being given. |
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Post by littlebriars on Jul 6, 2016 21:16:54 GMT
Some judges really don't help themselves, every competitor has paid their entry fee and deserve the same judging, whether they are a producer or home produced - but you watch the judges in some classes, they are not even watching the competitor do their individual show, whether in-hand or ridden, especially if the pony is not produced by a "face" !!!
But saying that some class numbers do reflect the judge, a known face judge will only have a few select few go under them, and couple who's local show it is and its a nice day out ....high entry fees and the price diesel, are also a deciding factor as well...
But we keep going.... we have however made the decision to drop a couple of association shows.... and do more agricultural shows, lower entry fees and get this prize money !!!
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ta
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Post by ta on Jul 7, 2016 6:21:08 GMT
It would be interesting to somehow eradicate having the grooms/ producers coming in to the ring so the horses/ponies are judged on their merit not the face that is stood behind it and before anyone has a hissy fit it is true because a lot of the big producers have lots of staff who are more than capable of going in and stripping their animals it is simply to allow the judge to connect animal to producer.
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Post by elsie on Jul 7, 2016 7:46:00 GMT
My favourite is also the walking the pony practically into the ring by some producers or even parents! Used to see it loads years ago in the show pony classes and I actually saw it the other day with an adult (judge) leading adult offspring to the entrance! When there were lots trying to get in the ring and steward trying to tick number off I had to laugh!
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Post by ponymum on Jul 7, 2016 14:55:37 GMT
I have encountered this , and so has my daughter , What you should do , Is cough discreetly , but loud enough for the judge to hear and hence gain their attention. It is really annoying,as recently a few ponies in Hoys have been pulled up from down the line. For example in a Hoys we were pulled last (so I told my daughter to make the judge watch her!!) and my daughter went out a pulled off a blinding show. As she finished her show the perf judge commented she pulled it out the bag and proceeded to go up to 7th and on isnpection of the marks , the conf judge slated the pony otherwise we would of been 3rd :/ Do you think the fact your were pulled in last had any influence on the conformation mark? Have seen this happen, that's why I am not a fan of pull ins when marks are being given. I do believe it did have an influence on the conf. However it seemed to be the conf judge who pulled the initial line up after the go round?! |
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