s72
Full Member
Posts: 248
|
Post by s72 on Nov 23, 2016 9:11:35 GMT
My daughter currently wears Showing selections own Showstyle hat
Anyone know which new one is the most similar in shape?
Tried a Fian and a showjumper both are very wide look like a bucket on her head!!
|
|
|
|
Post by Philippa on Nov 23, 2016 10:03:46 GMT
Lol same problem here we use the Fiona and the one that comes closest that I've found is the CO H2000
|
|
|
|
Post by shettiefan on Nov 23, 2016 13:51:43 GMT
We went for the Fian in the end. All seem quite bulky especially for children. Rather be safe .
|
|
|
|
Post by HighSpirit on Nov 24, 2016 13:24:42 GMT
Try the Charles Owen Hampton, I found the Fian to be a very odd shape but that is personal opionion. The Hampton is so comfortable too!
|
|
|
|
Post by joules on Nov 27, 2016 20:42:19 GMT
Does anyone know if the fiona hat will be legal to use in 2017
|
|
|
|
Post by Philippa on Nov 27, 2016 21:36:49 GMT
No the Fiona is definately not legal in 2017
|
|
|
|
Post by dogandbone on Nov 28, 2016 13:55:43 GMT
I gather the Fian is not a definite for 2017 yet, as it still does not have the final Safety Standard Acceptance from 'the powers that be' It is thought that it will be registered but there are no guarantees yet, I HAVE BEEN TOLD! I would not buy a new hat at all until it is all official - In the directive we all received recently from BSPS headed HATS, the last line states " once approved and finalised " - It is not yet a definite!
|
|
|
|
Post by chloesmum on Nov 28, 2016 14:10:51 GMT
Well I hope they give us some time to replace then otherwise I can see no hats for sale!!
We have held off and I thought it could be a Christmas present we actually need a new hat but don't want to get the wrong one, although again the Fian looked terrible on Chloe! Thought I would try at Olympia so maybe they will have their act in gear by then.
|
|
|
|
Post by joules on Nov 28, 2016 14:40:07 GMT
Thank you all for your replies
|
|
|
|
Post by mayfields on Nov 28, 2016 14:42:59 GMT
I rang Charles Owen and they said that the Fian 100% meets the new safety standards, so I would like to think this is correct imformation
|
|
|
|
Post by Philippa on Nov 28, 2016 15:05:44 GMT
I rang Charles Owen and they said that the Fian 100% meets the new safety standards, so I would like to think this is correct imformation It does but i have been told it only has an interim standard at the moment |
|
|
|
Post by janetbushell on Nov 28, 2016 15:38:10 GMT
I gather the Fian is not a definite for 2017 yet, as it still does not have the final Safety Standard Acceptance from 'the powers that be' It is thought that it will be registered but there are no guarantees yet, I HAVE BEEN TOLD! I would not buy a new hat at all until it is all official - In the directive we all received recently from BSPS headed HATS, the last line states " once approved and finalised " - It is not yet a definite! The full list of legal 2017 hats is on the NCPA website under latest news www.thencpa.co.uk & our facebook page The Fian complies to VG1 This information is direct from the Showing Council |
|
|
|
Post by bigmama on Nov 28, 2016 17:51:07 GMT
I have it in writing from Charles Owen and the Showing Council that the Charles Owen Fian does meet UK safety standards for 2016 and 2017 and it has been agreed with BETA.
Full marks to Janet and the NCPA for being on the ball with this matter .. let's hope the BSPS and NPS issue similar correct info on their main websites very soon. I understand from a BSPS member that an email about safety standards in showing hats has been sent out to each member last weekend. However, there are many unaffiliated shows that run their showing classes for non-BSPS members under BSPS rules and those people need to be informed about hats.
If there are still any doubters, the best thing is for those people to check for themselves by writing/emailing Charles Owen with their questions and concerns. That is what I did. No point relying on tackroom gossip, best to get it straight from the horse's mouth, so to speak
|
|
|
|
Post by Philippa on Nov 28, 2016 18:53:07 GMT
the email
PROPOSED HATS FOR INCLUSION IN 2017 B.S.P.S. RULE & SHOW HANDBOOK
HATS
46.Correctly secured Skull Caps/Riding Hats Nos. All PAS015,VG1, ASTM F1163 04a onwards, SNELL E2001, AS/NZS 3838 2003 onwards, New BS/EN standard will be allowed ( once approved and finalised) MUST be worn by riders at all times when mounted.
|
|
|
|
Post by hazeysunshine on Nov 28, 2016 21:32:19 GMT
I was looking into getting a fian as I want a grey hat. I have a h2000 which I know is legal because it's pas015.
My only concern with the fian is that everything only says 2017. I don't want to spend nearly 200quid on a hat that will only be a year.
Think I might err on the side of caution and wait a year to get a new hat when it seems clearer.
|
|
|
|
Post by Philippa on Nov 29, 2016 2:49:10 GMT
I was looking into getting a fian as I want a grey hat. I have a h2000 which I know is legal because it's pas015. My only concern with the fian is that everything only says 2017. I don't want to spend nearly 200quid on a hat that will only be a year. Think I might err on the side of caution and wait a year to get a new hat when it seems clearer. Exactly that. It has an nterim standard for next year. It's not certain to be legal after that. I wouldn't touch the Fian personally. |
|
|
|
Post by janetbushell on Nov 29, 2016 6:17:54 GMT
I was looking into getting a fian as I want a grey hat. I have a h2000 which I know is legal because it's pas015. My only concern with the fian is that everything only says 2017. I don't want to spend nearly 200quid on a hat that will only be a year. Think I might err on the side of caution and wait a year to get a new hat when it seems clearer. Exactly that. It has an nterim standard for next year. It's not certain to be legal after that. I wouldn't touch the Fian personally. Well everything says 2017 because that is when the standards are implemented (& all rule books are printed with a year on the front of the books) Perhaps I should have said "from 1st January 2017" |
|
|
|
Post by volatis on Nov 29, 2016 9:15:36 GMT
Full marks to Janet and the NCPA for being on the ball with this matter .. let's hope the BSPS and NPS issue similar correct info on their main websites very soon. I cannot speak for the BSPS or what they are doing but the NPS has already included the agreed wording from the Showing Council in their 2017 rule book, which is just being finalised and signed off and will go up on the website once that has happened. The wording that has been agreed among all showing council members is what NCPA now have on their website so this does cover the Fian among other hat designs. |
|
|
|
Post by ponymum on Nov 29, 2016 9:23:08 GMT
But in reality how are they going to police this? They surely cannot ask people entering the ring to take their hats off to check the labels? This would be a health and safety issue?!
|
|
s72
Full Member
Posts: 248
|
Post by s72 on Nov 29, 2016 9:57:32 GMT
A friend rang the BSPS after the email went out they confirmed Fian will be allowed at all of their shows
I have also been told that VG1 and the PAS standard are the highest levels and that it's the hats with EN1384 2016 that will only be allowed for a couple of years
It's all driving me mad! Tried a Hampton at the weekend which was a bit too shallow, Fian and SJ too deep and can't find a stockist for H2000!
|
|
|
|
Post by bigmama on Nov 29, 2016 11:06:53 GMT
It's all driving me mad! Tried a Hampton at the weekend which was a bit too shallow, Fian and SJ too deep and can't find a stockist for H2000! |
|
|
|
Post by bigmama on Nov 29, 2016 11:10:07 GMT
But in reality how are they going to police this? They surely cannot ask people entering the ring to take their hats off to check the labels? This would be a health and safety issue?! |
|
|
|
Post by bellasmum on Nov 29, 2016 11:48:16 GMT
Phillipa you misunderstand
New BS/EN standard will be allowed ( once approved and finalised) MUST be worn by riders at all times when mounted.
What this actually means is that the new standard hasn't got a name yet so its not approved and finalised, because they don't know what to call it – the Fian will be perfectly legal, it just needs a standard name – take it from me, as I'm in the know!
|
|
|
|
Post by janetbushell on Nov 29, 2016 13:10:06 GMT
Full marks to Janet and the NCPA for being on the ball with this matter .. let's hope the BSPS and NPS issue similar correct info on their main websites very soon. I cannot speak for the BSPS or what they are doing but the NPS has already included the agreed wording from the Showing Council in their 2017 rule book, which is just being finalised and signed off and will go up on the website once that has happened. The wording that has been agreed among all showing council members is what NCPA now have on their website so this does cover the Fian among other hat designs. Thank you Volatis |
|
|
|
Post by catkin on Nov 29, 2016 13:29:55 GMT
So, just for final clarification. Current BS/EN standards may not remain for next year and beyond. In other words, if a hat has one of these kitemarks, do we know yet if it will be compliant or not?
|
|
|
|
Post by bigmama on Nov 29, 2016 14:54:46 GMT
So, just for final clarification. Current BS/EN standards may not remain for next year and beyond. In other words, if a hat has one of these kitemarks, do we know yet if it will be compliant or not?
For a full list of what IS allowable after 31/12/16, please go to the NCPA website www.thencpa.co.uk and read the post about hats on the 'latest news' page .. simples, eeek |
|
|
|
Post by Philippa on Nov 29, 2016 16:52:03 GMT
Phillipa you misunderstand New BS/EN standard will be allowed ( once approved and finalised) MUST be worn by riders at all times when mounted. What this actually means is that the new standard hasn't got a name yet so its not approved and finalised, because they don't know what to call it – the Fian will be perfectly legal, it just needs a standard name – take it from me, as I'm in the know! I was told this by a hat stockist so don't shoot the messenger lol |
|
|
|
Post by bigmama on Nov 29, 2016 21:49:40 GMT
Phillipa you misunderstand New BS/EN standard will be allowed ( once approved and finalised) MUST be worn by riders at all times when mounted. What this actually means is that the new standard hasn't got a name yet so its not approved and finalised, because they don't know what to call it – the Fian will be perfectly legal, it just needs a standard name – take it from me, as I'm in the know! I was told this by a hat stockist so don't shoot the messenger lol
Charles Owen's and the Showing Council's words carry more weight than a stockist's/tack shop's I would have thought :/ |
|
