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Post by jakes87 on Jul 19, 2017 18:08:27 GMT
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Post by waspblue on Jul 19, 2017 18:15:37 GMT
Not good if you're trying to keep feathers etc clean for the class!!?? Xx
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Post by Philippa on Jul 19, 2017 18:19:20 GMT
Omg everyone with white legs work in in bandages. This is becoming a joke.
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Post by maxandpaddy on Jul 19, 2017 18:23:20 GMT
I hope they can see past mass poop explosions on both back legs 😕
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Post by jakes87 on Jul 19, 2017 18:33:16 GMT
The amount of horses worked in in 3 ring gags with draw reins is what needs stopping
I think they need to 100% clarify on boots and bandages
At the end of day front boots are allowed in WH so you could argue that your going jumping
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Post by janetbushell on Jul 19, 2017 19:16:49 GMT
In the HOYS 2017 rulebook General Rule 3 g) vii already includes the tack/spurs rule whilst on the showground & mounted
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Post by LinzyD on Jul 19, 2017 19:45:23 GMT
I tend to think that the part about boots and bandages is the H&H's interpretation; it's not explicit in HOYS/GM's own statement.
If concerned, email the HOYS office; they are very responsive and helpful.
For information of anyone concerned about hats - I have had written confirmation by email from the HOYS office that the Charles Owen AYR8, aka The Charlotte Dujardin hat, and similar non-velvet, more sporty styles, are, and I quote: "perfectly suitable" under the new rules. I attached a photo to my query for absolute clarity.
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Post by tabbyx on Jul 19, 2017 19:47:39 GMT
I have emailed HOYS regarding the ruling on boots and bandages being used for working in as the H&H article was rather ambiguous.
Reading the HOYS rule book the rule regarding the use of boots and bandages is under a different subsection of the general tack rules to the newly amended rule regarding the use of tack permissible on the showground. I'm hoping H&H have got this round their necks and HOYS haven't completely lost the plot as I can't really see what the problem is with using boots or bandages for working in, all they do is protect legs from knock, hard ground etc and keep them clean.
I will update if I get a reply from HOYS
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Post by bugs on Jul 19, 2017 20:03:14 GMT
Is it saying you can't wear a more modern hat like the Charles Owen Charlotte Dujardin hat with the plain hat colour? I hope not as I much prefer mine to any show hat. The new style just doesn't fit me properly.
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Post by jakes87 on Jul 19, 2017 20:31:59 GMT
Quite a few people have been given the ok for the ayr8 from hoys
Personally I don't like the look of it in the show ring
Ive not even seen the new hat standard being enforced at any show or checks happening
So struggle to see this being enforced; I only want the boots/bandages bit clarified which is why I emailed them as I see it as different to general tack ruling
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Post by splash30 on Jul 19, 2017 20:55:26 GMT
If someone gets a reply to the boots/bandages query as I have read the rule that it's class not warm up. As you would expect.
The tack does not state exact class you are competing so you can use tack allowed in WH classes......many grey areas
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Post by bugs on Jul 19, 2017 21:05:03 GMT
I agree it doesn't look as good as a velvet like my old Fiona but the new standard velvet hats all sit very strangely, keep going over my eyes when jumping and sit too high. I can't afford two hats so the best fitting one had to take priority. It is for safety after all.
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Post by gillwales on Jul 20, 2017 1:43:07 GMT
RE the boots and bandages. I can understand why people with horses with white legs or feathers want to keep them covered until the last minute, and I would want to have put stable bandages on everything in those small stables, however nasty things have been know to be concealed under bandages, so I can see why it is a total ban on anything that cannot go into a ring, there can then be no grey areas. And if every one is in the same boat the Judges will understand. Personally this can only be in the horses welfare.
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Post by catkin on Jul 20, 2017 7:34:28 GMT
I see your point gillwales, but for the horse's welfare, I actually think protective boots or bandages are a good thing. So often, we are working in on rough, rutted ground where a slip, overreach or knock is more possible. I have asked for clarification and will share when I get it.
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Post by chloesmum on Jul 20, 2017 7:40:03 GMT
I didn't know anything about this until last night when Chloe said facebook was alive with comments! I don't do facebook!
Tack thing I can live with although we tend to warm up in snaffle but hey ho but the boots/bandages is ridiculous. The native and coloured classes will see a mile long queue at hose pipes to wash socks before class and as this is also about qualifiers catkin is also spot on in terms of protection.
This summer we are seeing really hard ground and some shows have very rutty fields, how can that be in an animals best interest to not allow protective boots to exercise in? Surely they would have to allow boots/bandages that are to protect an animals legs.
PS - Just had a thought I can see a business opportunity here developing 'see through' bandages/boots' - bring on Dragons Den!!!
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Post by alm701 on Jul 20, 2017 11:25:52 GMT
Penny Hollings has spoken to the office this morning, and they have said no problem with using bandages or boots whilst warming up, also another person contacted the office and running Martingales are aloud when warming up, but no ponies heads to be tied in.
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Post by Toaster on Jul 20, 2017 13:27:50 GMT
Penny Hollings has spoken to the office this morning, and they have said no problem with using bandages or boots whilst warming up, also another person contacted the office and running Martingales are aloud when warming up, but no ponies heads to be tied in. Well Done Penny Hollings for going straight to the horses mouth instead of doing what so many people did by going to Facebook like a headless chicken |
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Post by alm701 on Jul 20, 2017 14:00:38 GMT
Well said Toaster! I think we should start a thread on here about the positive things of showing or what ever Discipline people enjoy, there to much negativity!!
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Post by jakes87 on Jul 20, 2017 15:15:50 GMT
The first thing I did was email HOYS for clarification t as I always warm up with a martingale/neckstrap on as tehy can come off the lorry abit fresh
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Post by gillwales on Jul 20, 2017 21:21:23 GMT
I see your point gillwales, but for the horse's welfare, I actually think protective boots or bandages are a good thing. So often, we are working in on rough, rutted ground where a slip, overreach or knock is more possible. I have asked for clarification and will share when I get it. It's what can be put under the bandages that would be of concern, I do realise that it is a minor amount of people that would do that but it still happened sadly |
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Post by mamanag on Jul 21, 2017 7:37:55 GMT
if you'd check my bandages you find a bottle of wine in each of the front two, a pack of cigs in the rear hind and a male model in the other back !!! (just to lighten the mood) x
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Post by catkin on Jul 21, 2017 7:53:22 GMT
Clarification is that boots and bandages still OK for warming up. H&H got it wrong!
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Post by chloesmum on Jul 21, 2017 8:39:34 GMT
What a great idea mamanag - will add some bottle holders (chilled of course!) to my proto design for transparent bandages!!
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Post by hazeysunshine on Jul 21, 2017 10:34:50 GMT
Standard journalism, taking something and blowing it completely out of proportion. Good that hoys have released a statement providing clarity.
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Post by carl81 on Jul 21, 2017 11:15:30 GMT
I see your point gillwales, but for the horse's welfare, I actually think protective boots or bandages are a good thing. So often, we are working in on rough, rutted ground where a slip, overreach or knock is more possible. I have asked for clarification and will share when I get it. makes sense! |
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Post by gillwales on Jul 23, 2017 15:41:11 GMT
When used correctly so do I , just saying what has or could happen again.
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