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Post by ... on Jul 20, 2017 13:50:20 GMT
Which classes where not judged fairly?
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Post by fair point 2 on Jul 20, 2017 14:14:47 GMT
I think the issue is more that the scottish judge then took a pony under her 2 winners the very next day. Regardless of how the class was judged, this is not a good impression to give.
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Post by Carrots&Mints on Jul 20, 2017 14:42:19 GMT
When people say why judges are giving up that's a load of tosh, anyone who saw Hollings article in last weeks Horse and Hound will have noted there are more judges than ever its stewards that are needed,as for the idiots who say no judges What next, well when competitors give up and there is no one to judge except other judges what next then. The TSR show had some very good entries at the summer show but look at the location of Onley smack in the middle of the country, so everyone can get to it, go further afield and numbers compared to even a few years ago are dire let alone the old days of two rows, Like everything in life you will find good and bad but at the moment showing is doing itself no favours and in the past I have heard people say avoid Lancashire Judges.As for people making comments on here maybe its the only place to vent your frustration as going to the societys is pointless as its all one big clique. Carrots and Mints and Grow up what is a serious subject you belittle it by your sarcastic comments. Charming! Do you not think its a bit obvious that due to the fact that there is a lot of quality horses in Lancashire and that there are a hell of a lot of people that are from Lancashire that compete, that naturally there are going to be a hell of a lot more judges from Lancashire. Look at any judge list from any society, the biggest section is usually Lancashire. If you don't want to show under these judges then don't, it has been noted at various shows that some judges aren't getting many competitors going under them, a sign of people voting with their feet perhaps? I haven't looked at the entries at the Scottish but I'm sure there was quite a few entries as its not been mentioned anywhere on social media including here about low entries. If you have a problem with any judge, it doesn't cost to right into Grandstand Media with your complaint or write to the relevant society. As for my sarcastic comments - the Centre of the UK is located in Whalley, Lancashire.
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Post by ... on Jul 20, 2017 14:54:18 GMT
My issue is that the judges on both days did a great job and judged each class fairly. Was I in the classes? Yes I was. Did I win? No I didn't however I didn't feel that any of the judging was unfair and I know that If i was one of those judges and I read that I was being accused of unfair judging I would be mortified!
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Post by Be a judge? on Jul 20, 2017 15:05:13 GMT
......... Glad you felt the judging was fair, were you placed in your class? and are you yourself a chaps judge?
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Post by janetbushell on Jul 20, 2017 15:22:06 GMT
My view is that the societies can make the changes required - if they wanted to ... which it needs There maybe enough judges, but they should be able to accessed/ used by ALL societies across the board. This would stop the familiarities that appears to be happening to us that aren't that INCLUDED! A horse is a horse.. a ride judge is a ride judge.. there should. E just ONE pool of panel judges to cover all classes! Be a lot fairer Speaking personally as a judge (on several panels) I am not sure I fully agree with you on the point of a universal panel that can judge any type of class. Whilst I agree that a Ride judge is there to assess ride, there would be a difference in the feel a hack or a hunter might give, likewise a traditional coloured, and the ride judge would need experience of the differences that may be encountered. Similarly, it is not just conformation that is being assessed, but also type (often forgotten by competitors) & also there is breed type for the breed based classes ( M&Ms, Arabs etc) & I as a competitor or co judge, I would want to believe that the judge had been assessed for knowledge in this area. There is actually a HOYS panel that is universally accessible to shows, but IMO it is still sensibly broken down into the different categories, so that the expertise of the judges has been assessed for all the sections they are listed for. It also seems perfectly fair to me, that judges who are trained & assessed by a particular society, should be the only ones eligible to judge classes, affiliated to & run under the rules of that particular society when they are not HOYS, RIHS or Olympia qualifiers.
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Post by .... on Jul 20, 2017 15:42:18 GMT
......... Glad you felt the judging was fair, were you placed in your class? and are you yourself a chaps judge? I was placed yes and I was dropped from original pull, my individual show could of been better so I feel that was fair. No I am not a chaps judge.
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Post by Pardon on Jul 20, 2017 16:20:58 GMT
My view is that the societies can make the changes required - if they wanted to ... which it needs There maybe enough judges, but they should be able to accessed/ used by ALL societies across the board. This would stop the familiarities that appears to be happening to us that aren't that INCLUDED! A horse is a horse.. a ride judge is a ride judge.. there should. E just ONE pool of panel judges to cover all classes! Be a lot fairer Speaking personally as a judge (on several panels) I am not sure I fully agree with you on the point of a universal panel that can judge any type of class. Whilst I agree that a Ride judge is there to assess ride, there would be a difference in the feel a hack or a hunter might give, likewise a traditional coloured, and the ride judge would need experience of the differences that may be encountered. Similarly, it is not just conformation that is being assessed, but also type (often forgotten by competitors) & also there is breed type for the breed based classes ( M&Ms, Arabs etc) & I as a competitor or co judge, I would want to believe that the judge had been assessed for knowledge in this area. There is actually a HOYS panel that is universally accessible to shows, but IMO it is still sensibly broken down into the different categories, so that the expertise of the judges has been assessed for all the sections they are listed for. It also seems perfectly fair to me, that judges who are trained & assessed by a particular society, should be the only ones eligible to judge classes, affiliated to & run under the rules of that particular society when they are not HOYS, RIHS or Olympia qualifiers. Beg my pardon - didn't have time to fully complete.. Totally agree that breed judging is different ... but disagree that a ride judge would need to be able to assess different types, the reason I can back up this with, is that coloured classes contain different types within the one class i.e. Hack/ Hunter/ cob and these judges are able to judge for the type! As a competitor who does the home work, for several years now I follow the judges that I feel like my horses... for the last few years the judges that cover the society have remained the same group, with the exception of one or two.. they are just changed to a different venue -this is apparent across children's/ coloured and Hunter societies .. so yes sorry I do believe a shake up is required to move the societies forwards Then the kind of situation that is apparent this week... last week.. last year would then not continue...
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Post by Easy goes on Jul 20, 2017 19:39:20 GMT
Speaking personally as a judge (on several panels) I am not sure I fully agree with you on the point of a universal panel that can judge any type of class. Whilst I agree that a Ride judge is there to assess ride, there would be a difference in the feel a hack or a hunter might give, likewise a traditional coloured, and the ride judge would need experience of the differences that may be encountered. Similarly, it is not just conformation that is being assessed, but also type (often forgotten by competitors) & also there is breed type for the breed based classes ( M&Ms, Arabs etc) & I as a competitor or co judge, I would want to believe that the judge had been assessed for knowledge in this area. There is actually a HOYS panel that is universally accessible to shows, but IMO it is still sensibly broken down into the different categories, so that the expertise of the judges has been assessed for all the sections they are listed for. It also seems perfectly fair to me, that judges who are trained & assessed by a particular society, should be the only ones eligible to judge classes, affiliated to & run under the rules of that particular society when they are not HOYS, RIHS or Olympia qualifiers. Beg my pardon - didn't have time to fully complete.. Totally agree that breed judging is different ... but disagree that a ride judge would need to be able to assess different types, the reason I can back up this with, is that coloured classes contain different types within the one class i.e. Hack/ Hunter/ cob and these judges are able to judge for the type! As a competitor who does the home work, for several years now I follow the judges that I feel like my horses... for the last few years the judges that cover the society have remained the same group, with the exception of one or two.. they are just changed to a different venue -this is apparent across children's/ coloured and Hunter societies .. so yes sorry I do believe a shake up is required to move the societies forwards Then the kind of situation that is apparent this week... last week.. last year would then not continue... I agree,it's the same set of judges year after year and just moved around to different classes and unless a judges face fits in the clique,and yes there is one,it will never change
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Post by janetbushell on Jul 20, 2017 19:56:36 GMT
Speaking personally as a judge (on several panels) I am not sure I fully agree with you on the point of a universal panel that can judge any type of class. Whilst I agree that a Ride judge is there to assess ride, there would be a difference in the feel a hack or a hunter might give, likewise a traditional coloured, and the ride judge would need experience of the differences that may be encountered. Similarly, it is not just conformation that is being assessed, but also type (often forgotten by competitors) & also there is breed type for the breed based classes ( M&Ms, Arabs etc) & I as a competitor or co judge, I would want to believe that the judge had been assessed for knowledge in this area. There is actually a HOYS panel that is universally accessible to shows, but IMO it is still sensibly broken down into the different categories, so that the expertise of the judges has been assessed for all the sections they are listed for. It also seems perfectly fair to me, that judges who are trained & assessed by a particular society, should be the only ones eligible to judge classes, affiliated to & run under the rules of that particular society when they are not HOYS, RIHS or Olympia qualifiers. Beg my pardon - didn't have time to fully complete.. Totally agree that breed judging is different ... but disagree that a ride judge would need to be able to assess different types, the reason I can back up this with, is that coloured classes contain different types within the one class i.e. Hack/ Hunter/ cob and these judges are able to judge for the type! As a competitor who does the home work, for several years now I follow the judges that I feel like my horses... for the last few years the judges that cover the society have remained the same group, with the exception of one or two.. they are just changed to a different venue -this is apparent across children's/ coloured and Hunter societies .. so yes sorry I do believe a shake up is required to move the societies forwards Then the kind of situation that is apparent this week... last week.. last year would then not continue... Beg your pardon, I took your post as stating that any panel ride judge would be fully qualified to judge any type of class, but what you now say is that CHAPS ride judges (& I presume BSPA) could judge any classes as they have theoretically been assessed for every type of ride. This is quite possible, but would surely mean that you would encounter the same ride judges, not just at different venues, but also at the same venues doing different sections. I do think that ride judge panels must be the most difficult to attract applicants & feel that this is probably because so many with that level of ability & experience will still wish to be competing themselves & not be subject to the implications hinted at on this thread, apart from the other aspects of this type of judging. It is very heartening to see increasing numbers of younger ride judges passing the assessment process, and so we can perhaps agree that the future looks promising.
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Post by Exactly on Jul 20, 2017 21:12:38 GMT
Well if everyone spent the time they waste trying to start up trouble on here on going and getting their judges assessment done themselves then there would be more judges on panels to pick at. It's no wonder none wants to judge anymore with you set of sh*thouses sitting on here slagging them off!!! 2 sets of judges 2 sets of marks why don't you study them and see if you can identify the "favours" I think you'll find on both days in most classes that both judges had different winners. This is exactly the point people are choosing to ignore! Look at the marks and it's clear to see 2 sets of judges 2 sets of marks and clearly not exactly a lot of funny business going on... which will of course be a disappointment to some posters on here
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Post by Penny who on Jul 25, 2017 18:38:47 GMT
I have edited your post as it was just a repeat of what you posted initially and in your own words 'it was a week ago'
If you feel someone should be investigated then get onto the correct people and do something about it rather than coming and causing trouble again.
Philippa
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