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Post by gillwales on Aug 28, 2017 5:38:21 GMT
Yes but, your argument does not hold water, everyone can handle and practice having their pony measured. It is down to the owner to make certain this work is done properly. We can all get our animals used to loud noises and flappy things, it is just the matter of getting them used to it.
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Post by comanchediva on Aug 28, 2017 9:58:52 GMT
If they measure out on the day they are not allowed to compete, hence the reason why back numbers are issued at the measuring pad. The FPS used to only measure the ponies competing in the HOYS class and the ponies in the senior mares and geldings inhand class but now every animal 4 years and over has to be measured. It's the same at the stallion show in May, however the scenario is completely different to being measured quietly and being prepared for that situation.
Imagine ponies coming from all directions, some entires and others mares with foals at foot. The pad and I use the term loosely is next to the stone bridge at the bottom of the hill. The vet has his stick set at 14hh and literally just waves it at some to assess their height.
There's just no comparison to the two situations plus you have to be on the show field very early because if you miss the measuring you can't compete!!
Edited to say they measure every pony regardless of whether they have a height certificate. If they do have one it should be presented at measuring x
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Post by gillwales on Aug 28, 2017 13:32:33 GMT
If they measure out on the day they are not allowed to compete, hence the reason why back numbers are issued at the measuring pad. The FPS used to only measure the ponies competing in the HOYS class and the ponies in the senior mares and geldings inhand class but now every animal 4 years and over has to be measured. It's the same at the stallion show in May, however the scenario is completely different to being measured quietly and being prepared for that situation. Imagine ponies coming from all directions, some entires and others mares with foals at foot. The pad and I use the term loosely is next to the stone bridge at the bottom of the hill. The vet has his stick set at 14hh and literally just waves it at some to assess their height. There's just no comparison to the two situations plus you have to be on the show field very early because if you miss the measuring you can't compete!! Edited to say they measure every pony regardless of whether they have a height certificate. If they do have one it should be presented at measuring x I realize that being measured at a private yard is very different to being measured at a show ground, you try getting measured at the Royal Welsh! They could not have found a nosier, spookier place if you tried. But the comment I replied to referred to ponies that had not been handled or trained to being measured compared to those who's owners had trained theirs to be used to having a stranger approach them with a measuring stick. Well that's how I read it. It does seem strange that the FPS goes down a different route to other breed societies and also the HOYS allow this. If I was a member of the FPS I would definitely be attending the AGM to lobby against this ruling.
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Post by comanchediva on Aug 28, 2017 14:33:42 GMT
If they measure out on the day they are not allowed to compete, hence the reason why back numbers are issued at the measuring pad. The FPS used to only measure the ponies competing in the HOYS class and the ponies in the senior mares and geldings inhand class but now every animal 4 years and over has to be measured. It's the same at the stallion show in May, however the scenario is completely different to being measured quietly and being prepared for that situation. Imagine ponies coming from all directions, some entires and others mares with foals at foot. The pad and I use the term loosely is next to the stone bridge at the bottom of the hill. The vet has his stick set at 14hh and literally just waves it at some to assess their height. There's just no comparison to the two situations plus you have to be on the show field very early because if you miss the measuring you can't compete!! Edited to say they measure every pony regardless of whether they have a height certificate. If they do have one it should be presented at measuring x I realize that being measured at a private yard is very different to being measured at a show ground, you try getting measured at the Royal Welsh! They could not have found a nosier, spookier place if you tried. But the comment I replied to referred to ponies that had not been handled or trained to being measured compared to those who's owners had trained theirs to be used to having a stranger approach them with a measuring stick. Well that's how I read it. It does seem strange that the FPS goes down a different route to other breed societies and also the HOYS allow this. If I was a member of the FPS I would definitely be attending the AGM to lobby against this ruling. I was merely agreeing with Caroline regarding the difference in the 2 scenarios and the vet's comments. Why would you lobby against this ruling? If ponies are under height what's the problem? I've never heard an FPS member complain about measuring at the Breed and Stallion shows and everyone has to be a member of the FPS to exhibit at said shows, many of which would prefer to see Fells remaining small and pony like rather than struggling to measure in at 14hh.
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Post by janetbushell on Aug 28, 2017 16:10:08 GMT
I realize that being measured at a private yard is very different to being measured at a show ground, you try getting measured at the Royal Welsh! They could not have found a nosier, spookier place if you tried. But the comment I replied to referred to ponies that had not been handled or trained to being measured compared to those who's owners had trained theirs to be used to having a stranger approach them with a measuring stick. Well that's how I read it. It does seem strange that the FPS goes down a different route to other breed societies and also the HOYS allow this. If I was a member of the FPS I would definitely be attending the AGM to lobby against this ruling. I was merely agreeing with Caroline regarding the difference in the 2 scenarios and the vet's comments. Why would you lobby against this ruling? If ponies are under height what's the problem? I've never heard an FPS member complain about measuring at the Breed and Stallion shows and everyone has to be a member of the FPS to exhibit at said shows, many of which would prefer to see Fells remaining small and pony like rather than struggling to measure in at 14hh. Perhaps gillwales doesn't realise that M&M ponies only need a height certificate to compete at HOYS - not to enter the qualifiers, which would explain her comment about HOYS allowing this?
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Post by CarolineNelson on Aug 28, 2017 17:42:39 GMT
I was merely agreeing with Caroline regarding the difference in the 2 scenarios and the vet's comments. Why would you lobby against this ruling? If ponies are under height what's the problem? I've never heard an FPS member complain about measuring at the Breed and Stallion shows and everyone has to be a member of the FPS to exhibit at said shows, many of which would prefer to see Fells remaining small and pony like rather than struggling to measure in at 14hh. Perhaps gillwales doesn't realise that M&M ponies only need a height certificate to compete at HOYS - not to enter the qualifiers, which would explain her comment about HOYS allowing this? Janet, that is very possible; I believe GW's line of expertise to be the British Riding Pony, Breeding classes in particular. We've gone off on a tangent here (which is not unusual with postings on HG!). However, it's calm, thought provoking and open to discussion, which is positive. Regarding the FPS Show and to clarify, if a Ridden Fell Pony does QUALIFY for Hoys at the FPS National Breed Show without a current JMB Height Certificate, one would need to be obtained before the entry is confirmed for HOYS. Even if the pony was 'measured' on show day on the [loosely described] pad "next to the stone bridge at the bottom of the hill", so well described by Comanchediva. I also agree with her comment that many [FPS members] prefer to see Fells remaining 'small and pony-like' etc. Very well said. And, presumably, the very valid reason why the FPS requests a 'showground' Vet to possibly get routinely trodden on - in order to maintain that precious, historical and typey PONY height domain.
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Post by gillwales on Aug 28, 2017 20:23:55 GMT
Everyone is quite right, I have not been involved greatly in M & M 's. It is good to see all natives true to type. So often if an animal, whatever "Type" or breed it is, is not genuinely within the parameters of the size it should be, it ends up not being of type. While I might not be up to all of the rules in each native pony society I do understand the type of each of them. It is so sad when you look at a pony and have to guess what it is! ( Although I do remember being with the Burts at a Cuddy Qualifier and was asked if the Hunter Pony Brood mare he was showing was a Connemara! )
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