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Post by VAR on Jul 12, 2018 13:37:57 GMT
when a judge and competitor knowingly break rules regarding eligibility of an animal to compete? Do either of them have some kind of reprimand or does the competitor just get disqualified? Thank you
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Post by Discipline on Jul 12, 2018 13:44:24 GMT
If it was a HOYS qualifer then both the Judge and the Exhibitor should be referred back through the relevant society's disciplinary procedure according to Grandstand media rulebook..
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Post by snowman on Jul 12, 2018 14:50:16 GMT
The judge should be reported to the society of the panels they are on. The show should be made aware, and when entering a class the competitor agrees to abide by the rules of the society to which the class is affiliated to.
Report them
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Post by gillwales on Jul 12, 2018 16:53:03 GMT
I will say this, a judge will never know who is competing under them whereas a competitor will know who the judge is, therefore I would be harder on the competitor than the judge. The judge should only be sanctioned if it can be proved he / she was aware of the connection, afteral in the ring one bay pony with a red browband will look very similar to another bay pony in a red browband
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Post by 🙁 on Jul 13, 2018 9:17:35 GMT
A judge would know very well if a horse she had ridden regularly and a friend were in her class
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Post by jakes87 on Jul 13, 2018 9:17:45 GMT
we had a friend go to compete in a qualifier on there bay shp; they walked in the ring after a few moments the steward walked over and told them the judge has requested them to leave because she has a connection with the pony from when it was younger. They had no idea but the judge did so the assumption that the onus is on the competitor to know is wrong
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Post by Philippa on Jul 13, 2018 10:44:36 GMT
That happened a couple of years ago at Cheshire where the people had bought pony not realising judge had previously led it. They also were asked to leave the ring.
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Post by VAR on Jul 13, 2018 18:38:23 GMT
There is absolutely no doubt that the judge knew in this case, and there is proof. Who would I complain to? And can you complain anon? How do you know if it is already being dealt with?
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Post by gillwales on Jul 14, 2018 4:45:04 GMT
You may not complain anonymously, consider the consequences, there would be complaints over-running each society by competitors who are disgruntled because they did not win. If you were at the show you could have taken the matter to the secretary. In most schedules there is a complaints procedure. I am surprized if you were competing that you did not read this prior to entry. Failing that write to the society that the class was affiliated to. I am assuming you are a member therefore read the rule book, it lays it out quite clearly what to do.
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Post by HK on Jul 14, 2018 12:41:59 GMT
it says in the hoys rulebook it is the judges responsibility and grandstand can remove them from the list and they should go to disciplinary within the relevant societies that they judge under.
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Post by 😟 on Jul 14, 2018 17:56:53 GMT
A judge would know very well if a horse she had ridden regularly and a friend were in her class
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Post by 😟 on Jul 14, 2018 18:00:44 GMT
I am not a competitor but a supporter. I wouldn’t know who was competing beforehand but when I witnessed the rule breaking I wanted to complain. It’s not easy to do this but is necessary to keep the sport legitimate and fair for all .
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Post by gillwales on Jul 15, 2018 5:57:00 GMT
I am not a competitor but a supporter. I wouldn’t know who was competing beforehand but when I witnessed the rule breaking I wanted to complain. It’s not easy to do this but is necessary to keep the sport legitimate and fair for all . Nobody knows prior to the event who is competing, hence why I said that the competitor would know if they had a connection to the judge. If you feel this strongly, which is admirable, then write, stating the facts to the Society involved. You will have to give your name and address, it is the only way to raise the issue.
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Post by load of bull on Jul 17, 2018 18:23:21 GMT
prob nothing will happen due to the cost of lodging a complaint....11) COMPLAINTS AND APPEALS PROCEDURE a) At any Horse of the Year Show qualifying rounds for pony classes, any complaint or appeal pertaining to the result of the qualification, should be lodged with the Equestrian Manager of Grandstand Media Ltd either by email to showsecretary@hoys.co.uk, or by post to Grandstand Media Ltd, Stoneleigh Park, Kenilworth, Warwickshire, CV8 2LZ. All objections must be accompanied by a deposit of £100 and be received within 7 working days of the class. b) Horse of the Year Show is unable to accept objections involving Joint Measurement Board certificates. c) The objection shall be determined by the Appeals Committee, who may require and receive such evidence as they think fit and in particular may require the Objector or the Competitor in respect of which such objection was lodged to make a statutory declaration upon any question of fact concerning the matter of such objection. If the objection shall be determined against the Objector he/she shall also be liable to Grandstand Media Ltd. for the amount of costs and expenses occasioned by the objection and the determination thereof, unless in the opinion of Grandstand Media Ltd. who determine the objection there existed good and reasonable grounds for the objection, when they may order to the contrary. ) At Horse of the Year Show Final any objection or protest is to be lodged by obtaining a printed Objection Form from the Equestrian Manager at the Show which must be completed by and signed by the Objector and delivered to the Equestrian Manager for Showing competitions accompanied by a deposit of £250.00 in cash within an hour after the results have been announced in the arena, in respect of which the objection is lodged. VAR not all of us have a spare £100 or carry £250 cash ,,,which is a shame .So even if you know you are in right with your objection the cost will deter people.
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Post by 🙁 on Jul 17, 2018 18:35:41 GMT
I am not a competitor but a supporter. I wouldn’t know who was competing beforehand but when I witnessed the rule breaking I wanted to complain. It’s not easy to do this but is necessary to keep the sport legitimate and fair for all . Nobody knows prior to the event who is competing, hence why I said that the competitor would know if they had a connection to the judge. If you feel this strongly, which is admirable, then write, stating the facts to the Society involved. You will have to give your name and address, it is the only way to raise the issue. . Done 😀
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Post by gillwales on Jul 17, 2018 23:33:45 GMT
Nobody knows prior to the event who is competing, hence why I said that the competitor would know if they had a connection to the judge. If you feel this strongly, which is admirable, then write, stating the facts to the Society involved. You will have to give your name and address, it is the only way to raise the issue. . Done 😀 Fair play to you for having the courage of your convictions
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