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Post by Exmoor pony on Sept 8, 2019 17:59:45 GMT
There was an exmoor objected to on am annual certificate after the NPS championships the pony measured out of the class it was jumping in but not as an exmoor. It just shows how much ponies can grow between 5 and 6 as the owner of this pony has done a fantastic amount to support the breed and would not dream of jumping in a class that it was not eligible for.
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Post by shouldbethecorrectheight on Sept 10, 2019 6:30:26 GMT
Morning Shame for the exmoor, 5.5 cms over the height for the class it was jumping in the owner must be mortified, have to add she did not produce it herself , it was with a pro
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Post by Another one? on Sept 16, 2019 12:18:20 GMT
Looks like a Connemara with two HOYS tickets has been called for remeasuring too... no prizes for guessing who made that complaint!!
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Post by Red28 on Sept 16, 2019 18:52:06 GMT
heard about that Connie, I can’t understand if someone had an objection why not raise it last year after hoys when it went champion?
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Post by lovebird on Sept 17, 2019 16:01:47 GMT
The Connie has been remeasured today, & measured in.
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Post by Exmoor pony on Sept 18, 2019 17:36:36 GMT
That's great news for all the connections of this lovely pony
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Post by conniegirl on Sept 25, 2019 13:59:54 GMT
The Connie has been remeasured today, & measured in. Glad to hear that! Can't imagine the stress, even if you know your pony should measure easily/ there will always be the worry about what if they don't, the cost, time and hassle of taking the pony just before a major championship etc
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Post by fattercob on Sept 25, 2019 18:01:33 GMT
Would be relatively easy to stop strategic objections - if you object to a horse in your class then your own horse has to be measured too! Simples.
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Post by CarolineNelson on Sept 25, 2019 18:58:19 GMT
it's interesting but sad, that folk regularly jump to conclusions - many of which are way off the mark. Whilst appreciating that this is a 'gossip' column, when people aren't sure of the facts, gossiping and speculating can make even a simple situation seem inflammatory.
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Post by Stabilo on Sept 27, 2019 16:24:40 GMT
If an animal is called for remeasure at this stage in the season it does all rather point to it being rather tactical, regardless of who has put in the request, so you can't blame us for jumping to this conclusion.
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Post by CarolineNelson on Sept 27, 2019 19:39:03 GMT
If an animal is called for remeasure at this stage in the season it does all rather point to it being rather tactical, regardless of who has put in the request, so you can't blame us for jumping to this conclusion. That is interesting. Sometimes, jumping to conclusions is not the way forward as the 'jumped to' conclusion may not be correct, may not be the case at all. This can of course be relevant to anything, not just this topic!
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Post by Guest 98 on Oct 11, 2019 12:24:33 GMT
Yet another 14.2 objected to. Is someone planning to get rid of all of the good ones to have a chance with their mediocre pony I wonder!!! It's not the fact that people are getting rid of the good ones, it's the fact that they don't want to be beaten by someone who shouldn't be in the class. Imagine coming 2nd to a pony that is too big for the class, that pony and rider then get the glory of doing a lap of honour and a winning trot out (at HOYS for example), and the one in 2nd who technically should have won will never get their moment back, yes they will get the 1st rosette in the post or whatever, but they will never get to do a winners lap of honour because it has been taken from someone who is blatantly cheating because their pony is too big. And the good ones aren't good ones if they shouldn't be in the class - just do the right bloody class for your pony's height!! Why people insist on putting their over-height pony in a small class when they could just do the next height class up to save their dignity instead of being disqualified is beyond me.
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Post by Ponyfgdhhd on Oct 11, 2019 12:29:59 GMT
Just put your pony in the correct height class...how is that so hard for people to understand? It has the same amount of chance in all the classes, so just go in the correct one....
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Post by Vets too on Oct 29, 2019 22:32:50 GMT
The vets measuring these ponies should be disciplined too. They know d**ned well what they're doing. I've witnessed it twice when working with show ponies. The lengths vets go to with owners to get the pony measured in is disgusting.
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Post by shouldbethecorrectheight on Oct 30, 2019 9:34:49 GMT
well said Vets too Please JMB look at some of these vets and maybe look at animals that have been measured out when measured by these vets, there is some this year have had a couple measured out by not just a few MM buts Cms, so please JMB have a look and maybe recall 1 or 2 that these vets have measured just to check
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Post by CarolineNelson on Nov 6, 2019 22:51:28 GMT
well said Vets too Please JMB look at some of these vets and maybe look at animals that have been measured out when measured by these vets, there is some this year have had a couple measured out by not just a few MM buts Cms, so please JMB have a look and maybe recall 1 or 2 that these vets have measured just to check "Shouldbethecorrectheight" - it is sad that you don't realise that auditing is done, but rest assured that it is. . . . it is good however, that you agree that - animals should be the correct height!! We think so, too!!
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Post by Exmoor pony on Nov 9, 2019 20:29:05 GMT
It would seem that Caroline is correct as the vet that measured the exmoor is no lo on the panel
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Post by CarolineNelson on Nov 10, 2019 15:14:25 GMT
It would seem that Caroline is correct as the vet that measured the exmoor is no lo on the panel It is also worth noting that everyone can make mistakes. Including the poster here. Please note - I'm not condoning, supporting or not supporting anyone in connection with any animals or any objections, from whatever source, (ie: owners/previous owners/measurers/previous measurers etc.etc) just pointing out a simple error in the wording by the above poster. And, the comment above ( quote - "it would seem that Caroline is correct) !!! makes me laugh!!! Mine is not a' personal' comment from me alone, but a 'press' comment from rules and the Board of the JMB, most of whom are representatives of their relevant bodies. In any case, appointment to the Measuring Panel, just like that of Judges, is ANNUAL so (again just like judges), the person has to re-apply every autumn, on an ANNUAL basis. With regard to (me) writing anything on here, I just happen to be brave enough, honest enough and determined enough to see that right prevails, so use my name as opposed to hiding behind a guest name. However, I think that this (hiding behind a guest name) proves that people would prefer to remain anonymous and NOT have their name attached to an objection, be it done by the correct method (ie: through a Society/Association's office etc) or via a third party. On another thread in this Guest Area is someone asking a question and wishing to object but wishing to remain anonymous (this appears to be in regard to an amateur Riding club status, and as such has nothing to do with this topic).
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Post by conniegirl on Nov 26, 2019 17:16:37 GMT
On another thread in this Guest Area is someone asking a question and wishing to object but wishing to remain anonymous (this appears to be in regard to an amateur Riding club status, and as such has nothing to do with this topic). can you blame people for wanting to remain anonymous when some objectors names have leaked out in the past and the objectors have faced major consequences despite the objections being valid?
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Post by CarolineNelson on Dec 8, 2019 13:32:04 GMT
I agree. The JMB currently takes the stance that an objector remains anonymous. There is no 'leak' but, it has to be said that on occasion an objector decides to tell people - that of course is their choice.
In truth, there are extremely few 'ringside objections' when it comes to height issues. There seem to be far, far more complaints not only lodged, but openly aired in the public domain, in regards to the Amateur / Home Produced / 'Pretty Polly' status.
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Post by gillwales on Dec 8, 2019 16:20:58 GMT
I agree. The JMB currently takes the stance that an objector remains anonymous. There is no 'leak' but, it has to be said that on occasion an objector decides to tell people - that of course is their choice. In truth, there are extremely few 'ringside objections' when it comes to height issues. There seem to be far, far more complaints not only lodged, but openly aired in the public domain, in regards to the Amateur / Home Produced / 'Pretty Polly' status. Caroline is quite right. Nearly all societies have a redaction policy so that those who explore the objection do not get to see who has written the objection. Unfortunally the horse world; like many other groups, tend to suffer from Chinese whispers. All I can suggest is if you send in a written objection you keep the matter to yourselves.
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