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Post by minkara on Apr 17, 2009 11:24:20 GMT
thought the shp judging was fair, slightly odd(!) but Joan Lewis is totally unbiased, and certainly does her own thing!! and no, we didn't win!!
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Post by pinkroses on Apr 17, 2009 11:26:34 GMT
I loved the grey 15 hand hunter type that was origanaly drawn top, but it was just a bit green, stunning pony, though don’t know it.
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Post by mirth on Apr 17, 2009 12:45:34 GMT
I loved the grey 15 hand hunter type that was origanaly drawn top, but it was just a bit green, stunning pony, though don’t know it. was it rode by a lad ??
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Post by aries on Apr 17, 2009 13:09:37 GMT
Well done everyone, just wish this show wasn't held on a weekday! Who was the photographer?
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Post by pinkroses on Apr 17, 2009 13:11:55 GMT
Pretty sure it was a girl on board.
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Post by jo266 on Apr 17, 2009 14:04:20 GMT
does anyone have or know where i can get the 15h shp marks from? the grey 15h pulled top is sofia scotts new horse called glenmanus i think. it is a really nice horse
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Post by hMMM on Apr 17, 2009 14:10:03 GMT
Kathryn has always had good animals x
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Post by lisa1 on Apr 17, 2009 14:55:28 GMT
hi facey guest didnt look at any marks but hey thats showing sometimes you win sometimes you dont and suppose theres not much can be done about it you just have to accept the decision on the day
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Post by Facey on Apr 17, 2009 16:53:39 GMT
Sorry Lisa 1, I disagree, Forums like this can inform competitors of judges that do not judge fairly and this is the case with Miss. Lewis. Of course some days you win , some days you don't but in every class you deserve to be judged fairly. There is already a thread on here about H Produced V Proff which proves that there is a case to discuss. The marks said it all
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Post by unfacey on Apr 17, 2009 19:06:56 GMT
Miss Lewis would be on my list of the most unfacey of judges !! Old fashioned tho yes ! Do you have a copy of the marks for us to see "Facey" ?
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Post by Facey on Apr 17, 2009 20:06:55 GMT
Actually, yes I do have the marks but as I have said previously I do not want to name ponies as it is not right to drag the riders into this as it is the judge which is at fault here not the children and it is a shame that you think that the marks should be put on a public forum where children would be able to see, If you phone the BSPS you can get a copy of the marks and see for yourself. Because of the blatant facey judging, I took a video of Miss. Lewis and will pass it onto the BSPS which I understand to be the correct way forward to stop this from continuing. You are obviously personally involved with this judge from the manner in which you are writing.
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Post by nikki on Apr 17, 2009 20:13:29 GMT
I disagree Facey. I think Joan Lewis's judging may be slightly odd at times and difficult to follow but she is definately not facey. When I have seen her judging she always does her own thing - you may or may not always agree with the end result but she is certainly not influenced by names or faces.
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Post by idoshowing on Apr 17, 2009 20:36:34 GMT
I have to agree with unfacey & nikki - i think Miss Lewis is a good, traditional judge - i've never experineced or seen her be facey!
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Post by mini on Apr 18, 2009 6:28:33 GMT
thanks! do you know who got mini plaited champion?xx woodview fantasia won the first ridden and was mini champ well done shannon xxx
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Post by ickelford on Apr 18, 2009 8:34:38 GMT
Because of the blatant facey judging, I took a video of Miss. Lewis and will pass it onto the BSPS which I understand to be the correct way forward to stop this from continuing. You are obviously personally involved with this judge from the manner in which you are writing. Can I just say well done you....this is the CORRECT way of dealing with alleged facey/biased/favour judging. I was not at the show and have never been under J Lewis so cannot comment at all on this situation, but I think Facey does deserve some recognition for dealing with this in a sensible and correct manner and not dragging names and ponies through the mud. It will be in the hands of the BSPS now to make a decision - and more of you should follow Facey's example rather than coming on here and moaning about apparently facey judging with no evidence, and no intention of actually doing anything useful about it.
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Post by dillis on Apr 18, 2009 14:03:43 GMT
I agree that something should be done about facey judging, but unless the ponies that were put up misbehaved and the judge blatently ignored it or rules regarding connections were broken it is surely back to the same thing....showing is is someones opinion on the day. I wasn't at the show and have no idea who was placed or won etc but this is an age old argument but video or not unless any rules are infringed the bottom line is down to opinion.
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Post by lisa1 on Apr 18, 2009 15:13:14 GMT
actually nobody was moaning the only person to go on about it was the facey guest other people were voicing their opinion about the judge and maybe if going to a show has this effect on how seriously people take it maybe they need to call it a day it should be fun and at the end of the day the judges desicion is the final one get over it save your money and dont enter.
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Post by idoshowing on Apr 18, 2009 16:27:40 GMT
Even if a horse doesn't go as well as another in their show, they can easily win because of conformation marks!! One horse can do a a manerly show, so get a high show mark, but might not get a good conformation mark, and another horse may not do as good a show, but have good conformation so make the marks up there & get a better place. But from an audiences point of view, this could seem odd!!
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Post by boohoo on Apr 18, 2009 16:44:48 GMT
If any body knows who the photographer was please do let me know.
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Post by Facey on Apr 18, 2009 19:47:51 GMT
Lisa1, firstly, I was not moaning but voicing my opinion of which I am untitled . I have not named ponies, riders or indeed which particular height SHP. I spoke to the BSPS office and informed them that the video and letter of complaint is on it's way and will be down to them to deal with. Perhaps you should read my posts more carefully and you will see that that I have not disagreed with anyone who is happy to compete under this judge, I for one will not and it is my right to voice my opinion as I have not disrespected anyone personally who was competing at this show. Just for the record, I was not competing but was viewing a pony that we are looking to purchase and took my video camera to film the pony and show to my husband but the judging was such that instead of moaning I thought I would do something constructive instead. I am sorry that you don't see it that way. I will not comment further as today the tape was sent and it is out of my hands.
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Post by Appalled on Apr 18, 2009 20:28:04 GMT
You must be one of the saddest people showing today. How low can you fall? This is exactly why so many good people are stepping down from judging. What right do you have to wrong a judge's opinion. Get out there, compete and get real. If you lose remember tomorrow is another day and if your pony really is good enough to qualify then it will.
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Post by unfacey on Apr 18, 2009 20:37:31 GMT
i am not connected in any way to Miss Lewis but am a member of the same bsps area and therefore have seen how much of her time and knowledge is given to the good of the area and the society over many years. I feel that having also watched the shp classes on thursday that the ponies were judged on nothing more than personal preference and for it to be conceived as facey you must be yet another of those painful people looking for a "connection" when a pony/rider has done well rather than accept that somedays its your day and somedays its not . Showing is not purely perormance related , conformation makes up 40% of it and cannot be judged from the side of a ring. Thats showing!!
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Post by unkowen on Apr 18, 2009 20:53:04 GMT
I'd just like to say, Joan Lewis is an interesting judge - i was in the 15hh and felt that was pretty fair, the winner had lovely conformation and did a lovely show, the nice grey pulled in top, was naughty and duly was dropped down to 6th, i'm guessing her love for it kept it in the placings, which i agree with! All the horses at the show looked fantastic - the standard for early in the season was very good! I have a home produced shp/int - who i show solely for fun and a few laughs!! I think the whole "omg a producer won" is slightly OTT as normally, they have the nicest animals on the day schooled to perfection! What did BSPS say to your video and complaint? xx
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Post by hunter on Apr 18, 2009 20:53:07 GMT
well said unfacey ! all these no hope also rans should shut up or put up , if they had the knowledge and comitment then get off your ar%^ses and get on a pannel and then if sucessfull see how they like being slaged off in a public forum when the only thing they are guilty of is giving up there time and expertese to assist the sport they love and aide enjoyment of others . we all have our share of standing at the wrong end of the line and i suggest if it happens too often then look up the other end and look and learn !!!!
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Post by facey on Apr 18, 2009 21:05:00 GMT
I will not comment further on the said judge, however I will not be insulted . 'Appalled,' I am not a sad person, nor am the ' lowest person in showing' you are incredibly rude. My pony has already qual for the RIHS so it is good enough thank you. 'unfacey' neither am I 'painful'.
I also do not sink to the level of name calling, and am a little surprised that it is tolerated on this site but there you go if it makes you feel better then you go it , I will stand on principle.
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Post by facey on Apr 18, 2009 21:34:34 GMT
If you had truly dealt with this in the correct manner and did not want other peoples views on the shp judge then you wouldnt have posted your original post ! You would have sent your video to the Bsps as you say you have done and certainly not opened the can of worms on here! As for name calling, whilst I believe I am perhaps a little more tactful than Hunter, you are yourself name calling by calling the judge facey. so here's one more name for you - Hypocrite!
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Post by unfacey on Apr 18, 2009 21:35:22 GMT
sorry all -last post was from me!!
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Post by facey on Apr 18, 2009 21:56:39 GMT
I am sorry but i will not allow myself to be bought down to your level, I have clearly hit a nerve from the verbal abuse that i have recieved from you, if you want vent your anger on something then buy a punch bag but don't use other people for you lack of control. The judge will be delt with as the BSPS see fit, oh, and i am not a liar, my ,my there are some angry people on here.
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Post by Milliesmum on Apr 18, 2009 22:01:17 GMT
I think this has gone far enough, if as you say the BSPS are dealing with this then I think further discussion may prejudice any investigations. At any rate, this is a results thread, so please could we now get back on topic and use the thread for its intended purpose.
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Post by Appalled on Apr 19, 2009 18:54:10 GMT
Milliesmum please forgive me but this needs to be said......
Hope the BSPS see fit to throw the video in the bin. If they don't then they will spend all summer watching very sad peoples attempt to dispose of judges they don't win under. The whole idea of cheating on judges in this way should be treated with the contempt it deserves. We all take our chance as soon as we step foot in the ring which we do in the name of competition. I If you can't lose gracefully then the best thing to do is give up. Remember, the camera often lies xxxx
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