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Post by nativeponies on May 5, 2009 21:30:28 GMT
come on guys, its the start of a new season and already the poo is hitting the fan in show world! I think everyone has forgotten the long, harsh, rubbish winter we have all just suffered, all the months of waiting patiently for the season to start, all the rugs and endless mucking out, little riding, mud and winter coats (yuk) lets enjoy our equine friends, the judges who only embarrass themselves by making silly mistakes and the stroppy competitors, well forget them, i am going to and even i had a moan on sunday, just to remind those moaning the most about facey judging etc, local shows are much cheaper, better rosettes and, well, local!! so there is always that option if you dont want most of the politics in show world!! ;D
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Post by ellieraga on May 6, 2009 7:38:37 GMT
Natieveponies, some people cant live life without moaning or criticising someone , at the end of the day we love our ponies and feel priveleged to have them and work hard to look after them and enjoy our showing  If people continue to carry on slating judges or fellow competitors that have beaten them then thats up to them and again lack of manners, these judges and societies give up there time to put on shows for us all to enjoy, no you cant win everytime but congratulate those who have and thank the organisers instead of throwing the toys out of your pram when you think things should of gone your way and didnt  But as you said its the start of the season and we will continue to go to our shows and have a fab time and hope you do too, |
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Post by nativeponies on May 6, 2009 8:56:56 GMT
was thinking, maybe all the placing rosettes could be red, that way lots of people get that red rosette, they might mot even look at the placing on it if the colour is right!!! ;D
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Post by denzil2008 on May 6, 2009 9:09:00 GMT
i guess we cant moan in the moaners area. but if we do then we get told to do it in here so if u dont like moaning go elsewhere, thats why this bit of the site is on here
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Post by dizzydora on May 6, 2009 9:09:17 GMT
Some people arent happy unless they are moaning & i personally think they need to get a life! If they're really that unhappy with showing then as people have said why dont they just give up & go take up knitting or something, but then i guess they'd moan that someones knitting was better than theres! lol  I love showing and have done it for 20 yrs and my aim when i go to a show is to enjoy myself and for my pony to go well, im just fortunate that over the years i have had a lot of success but on the same hand ive also had the unfair judging etc, but its my hobby and when i stop enjoying it i'll give it up, but i dont see that happeneing anytime soon! Good luck to everyone for the season!! lets hope its a nice warm summer & no rain!! |
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Post by nativeponies on May 6, 2009 9:33:40 GMT
i was not whining about anything i was simply asking why some judges allow wrong legs, bucking etc and some do not, i was dead pleased with how our boy went that day, there is a difference between moaning and genuinely wanting an answer for something! sorry! also to add to your question, i didnt mean to delete it i was trying to change what i said as i had apparently been corrected and was trying to state that at the beginning of my thread by putting in an apology, i am still very novice with computers im afraid! so stand corrected!!! ;D ;D
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Post by nativeponies on May 6, 2009 9:37:54 GMT
p.s i wasnt complaining about being second as standing second to such a nice pony does not upset me at all...she is stunning and they do a great job, the child is one of the most pleasant i know and the owner always nice too, nothing i said was personal like the stuff the misery a**es on here come out with, it can be downright nasty. i asked a question and certainly was not moaning, im a happy person!!!
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Post by apple123 on May 6, 2009 9:55:45 GMT
denzil2008 it's when things start getting personal that it becomes a problem. Most of the moaning becomes nasty and people mention names which is uncalled for and also hide behind a guest name.
Everybody works hard, spends a shed load of money, we're all in the same boat but if thenegatives are out weighing positives then do something else.
If people think a judge is crooked complain to the panel, doesn't get anyone anywhere by sitting at a computer moaning about others, might make us feel better for a couple of minutes but then someone always takes it too far!
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Post by wornthetshirt on May 6, 2009 9:58:49 GMT
I have to agree with 'overbent' here.
On a number of different threads, there have been so many U-turns done by the same person - who seems desparate to cause as much chaos as possible and then run back behind an apology or a lol. Then semi-discretely, the wingeing pops up and starts all over again.
As a judge and a trainer - and a very experienced, honest one with fifty-odd years of experience, I initially came on here out of curiosity.
I have to say that I am horrified.
It must be the modern mind, but where has humility and good sportsmanship gone?
And, since our geese are always swans in our eyes, (there is nothing basically wrong with that) - take a good hard look at your 'product' (ie. the pony and child package) and try to envisage it through the eyes of another.
We all see things differently. Otherwise, there would be, for example, no fashion stores - we would all be dressed in uniform overalls.
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Post by nativeponies on May 6, 2009 11:24:32 GMT
atleast i have the balls to apologise if i've made a mistake!!!!! and my boy is a swan, not a goose!!! if i could work this blooming computer out i would happily show evryone him, and there is not alot wrong with the pony/child combination, she is very, very rarely sat lower than second at any show, so, think you are quite wrong and rather rude sometimes to be honest, if you dont like the things i say you do not have to reply, i dont remember apologising on another post, i dont personally care about what people think of my animals, if i am happy with what i see in the field that will do me nicely! i have never said he is the best A in the world and i have never slated anyone elses pony!!!!!
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Post by nativeponies on May 6, 2009 14:08:51 GMT
Thanks overbent, i will try that! i need some lessons with these machines my daughter is better on it than i am, always shouting her for help, as for wornthetshirts comment that is how it comes across, i actually dont give a monkeys what anyone thinks of him, my walls are covered in reds and i dont think he has been judged by the same judge twice, so swan he is to me and numerous others!!! ;D
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Post by wornthetshirt on May 6, 2009 14:17:34 GMT
Thank you, 'overbent'.
I thought that I laid the sentences out in a manner that they could be understood, but obviously not.
It was a simple, generalising term and utterly not one intended to cause any distress.
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Post by nativeponies on May 6, 2009 14:21:16 GMT
dont worry wornthetshirt, it didnt distress me too much!  if i was that worried about strangers thoughts and comments i would surely not go showing, would i? So no hard feelings from this end p.s if you read what i put when i started the thread i admitted to having a grumble myself, even if it wasnt exactly that, i asked a simple question about judging decisions that was all, i dont moan about much in life through not having the best time in the world i learnt alot about the important things in life and believe me i dont feel showing is important enough to raise my blood pressure over it |
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Post by Giddie on May 9, 2009 6:38:52 GMT
I always read these threads with interest
I feel people make judges sound like some devine commodity, and something to look up to and aspire to , almost as if they are godly and they always get it right..I am afraid l am not that easily brain washed and l am not as green as l am cabbage looking..I am fully aware when a judge has judged the person on the end of a lead rope rather than the pony. That is where the "sportsmanship" has gone. Anyone who knows me will know l am the first to congratulate those that win weather l am first or last, I always thank the judge and the steward for their time. l do think it is wrong to slander names all over a forum and hide behind the prefix of guest. I think we just have to accept that there are some very bent, facey judges out there. Bye the way it is also the job of you judges to help curb this sort of behaviour. It really seems that it is only the judges that do not recognise this sort of behaviour happening...Come on judges if you are true to yourself and really believe in what you say than be honest and open about it.....that is good sportsmanship !!!
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Post by joules on May 9, 2009 17:13:43 GMT
Giddie I total agree with you,blatantly bad judging should not be acceptable,and judges should try and help curb this behaviour, as it would be in every ones favour if they would ,and it is so wrong to slander names all over the forum.
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Post by ponymum on May 9, 2009 18:11:55 GMT
I would like a clause in the rules for judges, stating they cannot compete in the classes they judge...as I think there is too much vested interest...opinions?  |
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Post by halfpass on May 9, 2009 19:09:21 GMT
I would love a clause put into the rules that when it is tipping it down with rain I could leave the center of the ring and get dry, could we also have one that when it's boiling hot some kind soul will bring in a nice parasol to stop me over heating, better still lets not have a judge just bung the rosettes in the center of the ring and the one that gets their first gets the best one, all I hear about is all these bad judges, if you feel the judging is so bent then why not change it, have a go, get in there and do something about it.
As for being treated like a demi-god, I wish, I'm judging on Sunday, 17 classes come rain, hail or shine I shall be there from 9.00am to 5pm some people I will please some I won't but what I will do is have a smile for everyone, will thank everyone for letting me see their ponies and endeavor to place them in order off merit, but at no point will I complain about badly turned out, or handled animals, nor will I come on here complaining about rubbish competitors.
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Post by lucynlizzysmum on May 9, 2009 19:23:47 GMT
I have to say a huge WELL DONE to the judges at Ayr today - it persisted down all day and the judges did a fab job!
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Post by Giddie on May 9, 2009 19:46:37 GMT
Oh Halfpass don't get all defensive lol l did say some judges ...So you are happy to tell me that every judge you have seen judge has been totally honourable and has placed ponies/horses fairly...surely you are not that gulible.. !!!!
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Post by nativeponies on May 9, 2009 19:50:49 GMT
reckon some of the threads on here would put future judges off for life!!!! how about all the rude competitors at the ringside, or those that really annoy me are those who give constant outside assistance and i have to stand and listen to parents saying heels down, kick him on, tuck his head in, etc etc etc, correct me if i am wrong but i thought outside assistance isn't allowed? cant hear myself think, it drives me mad, then there's the parents swearing at the side of the ring when their pony hasnt been pulled in at all, or the rude competitor who is asked if their pony is such and such and they bite the persons head off!!!! |
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Post by wornthetshirt on May 9, 2009 20:15:53 GMT
Yes, it's often quite funny, what those by the ringside say - and is actually very audible from INSIDE the ring!!
If only you knew!!
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Post by halfpass on May 9, 2009 20:42:12 GMT
Oh Halfpass don't get all defensive lol l did say some judges ...So you are happy to tell me that every judge you have seen judge has been totally honourable and has placed ponies/horses fairly...surely you are not that gulible.. !!!! No I'm not and have never said that, what I have said is that, instead of sitting there moaning about unfair judging I put myself out there and started judging myself, that way regardless of what the other judges are doing I can put hand on heart knowing that my classes are judged fair and honestly, so I put it back to you why not put yourself in the center of the ring. |
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Post by nativeponies on May 9, 2009 21:04:04 GMT
To be fair, to any judge, anyone who is prepared to put themselves in a ring in the firing line deserves credit just for that alone!! We all know not everyone can be first place on the day, but both judges and competitors deserve respect, there would be no showing without EITHER judges or competitors!!!!
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Post by joules on May 9, 2009 21:08:13 GMT
Halfpass i must thank you for judging fair and honestly ,regardless of what other judges do,and I would like to believe there are more judges out there like you. I can understand why you are becoming defensive,because you feel you do judge fair.Believe me not all judges are like you ,wish they were.All competitors ask for, is to be judged fair and honestly but this does not always happen.
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Post by Babieca on May 9, 2009 21:10:23 GMT
If you compete is always worth giving judging at a local show a try - it is loads more difficult when youre on the other side of the rope. I cant believe how rude some competitors can be and theres always the ones who think you havent made the right decision & the "do you know who i am?" brigade  It certainly made me appreciate the judges & stewards more |
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Post by nativeponies on May 9, 2009 21:15:43 GMT
I would love to do a bit of judging, but kids have me fully booked with showing this year, it may restore the faith with competitors if more are prepared to go and judge themselves if they feel it is so "bent" ?
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Post by joules on May 9, 2009 21:24:51 GMT
Nativeponies, you are right with out either judges or competitors there would be no showing.The judges give up,their time to judge,and the competitors put a lot of time in looking after, and producing their horses,they both need to be respected.
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Post by nativeponies on May 9, 2009 21:33:54 GMT
Thats right..i know alot who have quit showing because of the politics of it all, we all know there is wrong doing on both sides, had one jockeys mum going mad about the big moving chestnut pony that shouldnt be in the ring because he was too flash for a first ridden, she asked for my opinion, i said it was my pony!!!! i couldve flattened her!! but i just smiled and walked away, at the same time i have witnessed judges upsetting young children with rather nasty remarks about their ponies, i.e your pony is too ugly!! no need!!!!!
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Post by halfpass on May 9, 2009 21:39:42 GMT
On that I do agree, respect on both sides is paramount. As for being defensive I think you maybe reading my post wrong, all I have said is for things to change a injection of new blood is needed, so why not get in there and start judging, then maybe we can turn this around.
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Post by joules on May 9, 2009 21:40:40 GMT
Babeica,you are right it must be very difficult to judge,especially the very large MM classes,and we do not always appreciate the valuable job the stewards do.We will never all agree with the judges decision,it is after all one persons opinion ,and we do not all like the same thing .
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if i was that worried about strangers thoughts and comments i would surely not go showing, would i? So no hard feelings from this end 
