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Post by jebediah on May 7, 2009 21:48:03 GMT
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Post by boots & saddles on May 9, 2009 8:28:05 GMT
he we go again, wont be returned without proof of ownership sounds very familiar, what is proof then,passport isnt, not every one gets a receipt and has chance to transfer pony in there name before it gets stolen, so then what happens does it stay in a safe place and your not allowed to know where it is in case you take it back, and your out of you mind with worry because it not insured by the people looking after it and it could get stolen again because they do not have the right to freezemark or microchip or even injured and whos going to pay the vet bill and what are you going to the the vet when he arrives after all do you have the right to have it put down if the injury is bad and you do not own it. i feel very sorry if there is someone out there trying to get there pony back and does not have proof of ownership. sorry rant over a very sore subject as my pony was stolen and im having to go to court and prove his mine and i have not seen him since middle of feb.
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Post by boots & saddles on May 20, 2009 8:09:48 GMT
any news, did this pony make it home
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Post by jebediah on May 20, 2009 20:20:55 GMT
Sorry no news
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Post by duke21 on Jun 25, 2009 19:19:33 GMT
he we go again, wont be returned without proof of ownership sounds very familiar, what is proof then,passport isnt, not every one gets a receipt and has chance to transfer pony in there name before it gets stolen, so then what happens does it stay in a safe place and your not allowed to know where it is in case you take it back, and your out of you mind with worry because it not insured by the people looking after it and it could get stolen again because they do not have the right to freezemark or microchip or even injured and whos going to pay the vet bill and what are you going to the the vet when he arrives after all do you have the right to have it put down if the injury is bad and you do not own it. i feel very sorry if there is someone out there trying to get there pony back and does not have proof of ownership. sorry rant over a very sore subject as my pony was stolen and im having to go to court and prove his mine and i have not seen him since middle of feb.
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Post by duke21 on Jun 25, 2009 19:45:14 GMT
In reply to your post boots and saddle,I could not of just given this pony back to anyone that said ' I own that pony 'What if it was your pony and i gave it to a traveller down the rd ? Of course you have to get a recipt or letter from the seller,Your not suppose to travel the pony without a passport,Iv photo copied the passport so i can travel the pony home.And if you had done all these things you wouldnt be going to court to prove ownership,Thats why you have to do these things,Not everyone is honest in this world .Its very difficult ,Do you ever think about people like myself that put their selfs in real danger to get these ponies back and then hide them,What we go through ? My house has been marked by some real nasty people,Just to get ponies back to people like you ! I have returned 7 ponies in the last 3 months to their rightful owners,Its not easy,Hours spent on the phone and the net,My petrol, traveling hundreds of miles ,And all on my money.I work with the police and i have to have the pony released by them,And theirs alot of red tape ,Thank god ! Some of these ponies have been to hell and back.I pay the vet bills and the blacksmiths bills,And i work with the RSPCA,We would never put down a horse unless their was no other way,The same as you !
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Post by helle on Jun 26, 2009 15:59:29 GMT
In Boots and Saddles defence- and I do not know her at all- we are being told often enough that the passports are NOT proof of ownership. I have sold several ponies who I KNOW have not had their passports changed to the new owner nor have they re-registred their microchip details. I do NOT have reciepts for all my ponies, nor have I given reciepts unless I have been asked for them. I think you are very brave to do what you do, and thank God there are people like you out there. But this whole ' what constitutes proof of ownership; really MUST be sorted out, as really, most of us would not have a leg to stand on if this happened to us.................
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Post by boots & saddles on Jun 27, 2009 9:04:41 GMT
I have still got to pay the outstanding balance of 300 pound on the shetland i was buying. i was given his passport at the time but did not enter the pony in my name due to the fact i had not finished paying for him. when he got stolen i handed the passport to the police for his details ie markings to be checked on the understanding they would return it to me and they now refuse. i was buying this pony off what i thought to be a good friend and my word as hers should or been enough the truth will come out in court who owns the pony. i think your comment was very nasty and rude you do not know me or the whole story. my comment was based on how do you prove you own it when a passport is not proof of ownership. i could give someone a written receipt for a pony that has been found would you then hand it over. how many people out there have it in writing that they own there ponies when they are given the passport at time of sale. i to work endless hours helping out with neglected and staved horse all funded out of my own pocket ,and so what there are many people that do this, what has that got to do with what is acceptable as legal prof of ownership. as you work so well with the police JUKE 21 maybe you can find out for all us horse owners and then we wont get it wrong after all i have only been trying to get my pony back since feb this year. my comment was not suppose to be directed at anyone and if you read it again maybe you will see that. just want people to be aware of what goes on and what has happened to me so know one else goes through the same so what is prof of ownership.
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Post by silkwood on Jun 27, 2009 12:59:44 GMT
i always thought passport was proof of ownership. silly me
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Post by skewbaldrocker on Jun 27, 2009 20:57:39 GMT
I'm not taking sides with anyone but any animal I ever sell, a receipt is always given to the new owner just to try to cover myself esp if not vetted and sold as seen, tried and approved etc
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Post by duke21 on Jun 28, 2009 17:31:42 GMT
You still should of obtained a receipt Or written payment plan,If you havn't paid the full amount of course its a difficult issue,Did you not get any receipts for payment of any kind ? Did you pay by cheque ? Or by cash ? You can not trust anyone,I havnt got a horrible bone in my body by the way,I just feel you have been to trusting ! I have been stopped by trading standards and asked for my passports at a county show ?Whats all that about then ? Y can i only release a pony to an owner with a passport or chip code according to my officer ?The law is a strange thing ,I suppose untill you have proof of payment to this lady or gentleman,You dont have a leg to stand on ? A given word is not enough ,And this is how things fall down,I ask for several things before i pass a pony over,You can ask around and about,About the so called owner,Check things on the web,Talk to people ,Look for information and you will be surprised at what you can turn up,Vets ,Blacksmiths,Feed merchants,Results,Livery yards etc,etc Did anyone see you hand over money ? Was it a direct debit everymonth,If it was just cash you were mad ! Sorry But you can't trust anyone !
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Post by duke21 on Jun 28, 2009 17:47:58 GMT
p.s I cant see a pony getting stolen from a person like myself,Dont you think because of what we do we have to have a VERY secure set up ,Not being funny But its like bloody fault knots ,Plenty of guards about 24/7 ! I cant afford to mess up ! If you walked on to my yard within seconds,Day or night you would get one hell of a shock ! I dont want to have to explain to my officer that iv lost one of these ponies ! You drive passed my yard your number will be registered and your photo taken ! Its to scary other wise,Ahhh no i dont need any nasty things happening !
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horsepatrol
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Equine Protection Registry and Support
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Post by horsepatrol on Jun 29, 2009 13:06:44 GMT
Duke21 we are amaized you have been stopped and asked to produce your passport at county shows. we show all over the country since passports have been around, we have never been asked to produce them not even at top level. why were trading standards at a county show? we lost two ponies, only finding one and we had to buy her back as we had no proof of ownership only her original passport, she was not micro chipped and if she had we am sure that would have been proof? or would it? we have never found the other pony. I think you do a grand job finding stolen horses. we would like your help, because of our situation we have launched a new website www.horsepatrol.co.uk lost or missing horses,we have lots of very distraught owners. please contact us.
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Post by boots & saddles on Jun 29, 2009 14:43:17 GMT
where in my post does it say that i didnt have proof of payment. yes i paid some by cheque and cash and through her bank account and also witness by mutual friends of both parties. i think you have missed the point i didnt say i had no evidence. the court will be deciding shortly. yes silly me for being to trusting and the point of writing sold as seen means what , your version of sold as seen may be different than mine so thats no good either which is why i asked what is. anyway if anyone of you would like to start a new thread about this subject please do as i feel this is not the place to discuss it further as peoples ponies are missing and were not helping find them are we. i would start a thread myself but dont know how. also wanted to say i have never been asked for my passports at local or county shows or the vets when they call to visit either and some of my ponies are new and only recently just registered,remind me why they brought them out.
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Post by monarch123 on Jun 30, 2009 21:24:26 GMT
i had my passport checked at Windsor this year, there was man walking round the lorries asking to see passports, he took all the details down, exhibitors numbers etc....
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Post by conniegirl on Jul 2, 2009 19:41:47 GMT
Perfect example of why all horses should be microchipped or freezebranded. Then you have proof of ownership if you keep the records up to date. I for one can sleep at night knowing everything on my yard is freezebranded, thier passports and thier registrations with FarmKey are up to date and It can easily be prooved that those ponies are mine (or in some cases my mums).
I'd rather be dumped down the line by ignorant judges then to risk the possibility of losing my precious ponies because it cant be prooved that they belong to me. If a judge ever dumps me down the line for haveing them freezemarked I do put a complaint into the relevant society about said judge and will never show under them again.
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