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Post by nativeponies on Jun 12, 2009 22:50:37 GMT
no i have not...but i see that others manage it!! to be honest everyone loses out if this couldnt be changed...us as competitors and entry numbers for you guys! we're not all loaded but would be able to do more if didnt have to send all entries off so early!! and yes i understand alot of work goes but as i said others seem to manage. i rest my case.
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Post by thecremellosociety on Jun 13, 2009 7:08:05 GMT
Well we will stick to how we do it, works for us and wont be changing it at all. Considering my toothache and feeling rather irritable i think i will bite my tingue very hard !
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Post by victoria (highhill) on Jun 13, 2009 7:13:44 GMT
Highhill.... Perhaps there's more than 4 people working on entries.  Nativeponies....Have you ever been involved in the running of a County show? Sorry to get stroppey but until you've been involved in the running of a big show, I don't think you can appreciate what's involved. Crawls back under her stone again!!!! Have I missed something - whats that supposed to mean? What do you mean more than 4 people working on entries? All I sid (agreeing with most people) is that entries could close later than 12 weeks before a show and if you are then ineligible you should get your money back Edited to add - I have been involved in running Shows and run a Point to Point !!! |
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Post by nativeponies on Jun 13, 2009 8:10:01 GMT
highhill, agree with you totally...12 weeks is a long time..and who knows whats going to happen throughout the season, we stand to lose alot of money if things go wrong.
emmajane you stick to doing it your way...but please dont go off like your the only one in the world who has to do what you do...shows need to get with the times!!
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Post by halfpass on Jun 13, 2009 8:29:50 GMT
instead of telling Emma where she is going wrong NP why not offer to lend a hand, after all you have a fab job that allows you to be on here 24/7 it would be no hardship for you to process a few entries, then you could have a later closing date.
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Post by Milliesmum on Jun 13, 2009 8:40:35 GMT
Emma works bl00dy hard voluntarily to put on shows so that people can come and have a nice day out and maybe pick up a qualifier or two. And she does her best to oblige people, so stop whinging! Have you seen her on a show day, running herself ragged trying to make sure things run as smoothly as possible? If she says she can't change the closing dates, then I believe her - she's been doing it long enough!!!
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Post by nativeponies on Jun 13, 2009 8:43:10 GMT
halfpass...not on here 24/7 for a start..but yes my job allows me to do so if i wish!! but thats the perks of working for my OH!! i would help anyone out at anytime should they need it, but sounds like emmajane does just fine on her own!! And you may have noticed..it aint just me telling people where they're "going wrong" !!
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Post by halfpass on Jun 13, 2009 8:45:12 GMT
To right MM, and she makes sure that everyone has a good time, you take no notice of the whingers, as I you do a great job,
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Post by nativeponies on Jun 13, 2009 8:46:00 GMT
mm...no one is whinging..but aint this the moaners area? we have simply said it'd be better for closing dates not to be so early and believe me i know alot of people who feel the same, as well as i know alot of people who run shows and i appreciate the work that goes in!! and yes i do help where i can even if its only with advertising etc!!
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Post by Milliesmum on Jun 13, 2009 8:58:02 GMT
The thing is, show secretaries, judges, stewards etc., do what they do for no financial gain, expenses if they're lucky, and I think all most of them get out of it is the personal satisfaction of knowing that they have put something back into showing. And if people are moaning constantly, be it about closing dates, judging standards or whatever, they're just going to think 'sod it' and they just won't do it anymore! Constructive criticism is fine, but how about going directly to the person concerned, having a quiet but friendly word and let them know of your concerns? Or as HP says, offer to lend a hand, I'm sure it would be appreciated, I know Emma has posted on here needing stewards etc.
It must be very disheartening when you freely give of your time, sometimes to the point of physical and financial exhaustion, to then come on a forum and find people pointing out all the things they think were wrong with what you did!
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Post by halfpass on Jun 13, 2009 8:58:06 GMT
halfpass...not on here 24/7 for a start..but yes my job allows me to do so if i wish!! but thats the perks of working for my OH!! Well I may have exaggerated the 24/7 probably more like 22/6, I don't think that the entry dates should be sortened but I do think that something should be put in place so that a refund on entries should you have qualified or have de-noviced or illness, can be obtained. |
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Post by nativeponies on Jun 13, 2009 9:11:45 GMT
22/6 fine halfpass...mm i understand all of that and i would love to do some stewarding...unfortunately i dont drive and am so am restricted with what i can do with my time...but if the opportunity was there and i could get there i would jump at the chance! i wouldnt agree to do this while i have no transport as relying on others can be a pain and i wouldnt want to let anyone down!.
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Post by hs on Jun 13, 2009 17:59:55 GMT
Just wanted to add something positive - I sent off my entries for a medium sized show yesterday 1st class - the show is next Sunday and closing date wednesday - this morning I get an email from the secretary thanking me for sending in my entry and saying I hope I enjoy the show - how nice is that.
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Post by nativeponies on Jun 13, 2009 18:06:12 GMT
thats lovely!! so nice when people take the time to do things like that isnt it? x
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Post by thecremellosociety on Jun 13, 2009 18:24:25 GMT
Thanks Guys i dont feel got at, but yes its hard work, not moaning as do enjoy it, just feel at times, people forget how hard it is if you haventsat till 4 in the morning doing entries etc, i have dosed myself up and made rosette boxes today so Derby is ready to go now, Notts Derby We take entries for all bar welsh in hand though pre entry will gurantee you can come in in the unlikley event of there being masses turn up, hasnt happened yet but could do as moved to a smaller venue. Wont happen for the county show, we have a reasonable closing date that works for us, and we are in need of helpful willing people, as without these we cant run, i dont drive i rely on my OH taking me places to judge and steward and he also gets involved with setting up like at NCPA needing signs at the racecourse and taking down posts etc, a little help goes a long way, i help out where i can when i can, and then get those people i help to help me in return  |
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Post by nativeponies on Jun 13, 2009 19:11:10 GMT
EMMAJANE, i never said you dont work hard, i know you must do to keep these shows going...but i do know how it feels to be working til 4/5/6 pm in the morning from 7pm the night before and then get up and show after an hours kip on the sofa!! i didnt understand a bit of your post though, are you saying you take entries on the day? np
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Post by thecremellosociety on Jun 13, 2009 19:13:21 GMT
For The Notts Derby Show i Take on the day, not for the County, I am a glotton for punishment as run 3 shows ! I never said you said i didnt work hard, just said it is hard work !
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Post by nativeponies on Jun 13, 2009 19:20:05 GMT
i know you didnt say that, just saying i know how it feels, its exhausting and i do it right through the winter and spring as well as the day job!! oh and ponies...am shattered so i know how you feel x i get you now....tired!
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Post by Confused on Jun 13, 2009 21:25:41 GMT
Nativeponies - Could you make your mind up please.
First you tell us you're a "poor single parent" sob, sob and next you're saying that the perk of your job is that you work for your other half sothat seems to be a pretty secure relationship, therefore perhaps members can be forgiven for not sympathising with the hard luck story.
As a constructive suggestion - if payment/non-payment by cheque is a major issue could the big shows accept entry fees by credit/debit card just like they do for public tickets in advance, or even investigate if paypal is feasible for the smaller shows.
For registration issues surely the wonders of modern technology can be put to use to find a soution, ideally that named show secretaries had log in view access to the relevant societies to check, or at least a dedicated e-mail box to send queries which would guarantee a reply in a certain time.
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Post by thecremellosociety on Jun 14, 2009 6:11:45 GMT
We have paypal for Notts Derby Charity Show, if you do bounce a cheque we will ask if you want it representing or insit on a different method IE POstal Order Via special delivery, alot of card payment methods do have charges and with all our secretaries being based from home, would generate alot of work, as we are all about 20 miles at least away from one another and dont work from a single centre. Nots sure how paypal would work for a business, as NDHS is a smaller event with a much lower turnover, something we can look into.
Registration Issues i do try to call person straight away, if no luck i pop a note in the post and that usually does the trick, by putting society contact numbers in the schedule worked very well and i had far less calls this year, while i know the rough rulings of various societies when there are about 20 different ones which we affiliate to we cant be excpected to know the rule book and procedures inside out, i also made sure that i worded every class in the schedule that if you needed to be registered for that class it said so. also i nto our advice page that we would not offer any refunds to persons rejected by societies for not checking eligibility.
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Post by nativeponies on Jun 14, 2009 6:37:35 GMT
i am a "single parent" he is not her dad he does not pay for anything in my life even though he has plenty of money i do not take a thing from him...my expenses are for me to pay!!! i may be with someone, but i will always be a "single" parent she is my daughter!!!!! not interested in sympathy so before coming on as a guest and having a go get some facts right!!!! thanks np
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Post by victoria (highhill) on Jun 14, 2009 8:36:34 GMT
Nativeponies - Could you make your mind up please. First you tell us you're a "poor single parent" sob, sob and next you're saying that the perk of your job is that you work for your other half sothat seems to be a pretty secure relationship, therefore perhaps members can be forgiven for not sympathising with the hard luck story. To be honest I dont think nativeponies personal situation is anything to do with a thread titled 'scheduling of shows' (and I havent got a clue who nativeponies is!!!) |
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Post by ponymum on Jun 14, 2009 11:12:18 GMT
Nativeponies - Could you make your mind up please. First you tell us you're a "poor single parent" sob, sob and next you're saying that the perk of your job is that you work for your other half sothat seems to be a pretty secure relationship, therefore perhaps members can be forgiven for not sympathising with the hard luck story. To be honest I dont think nativeponies personal situation is anything to do with a thread titled 'scheduling of shows' (and I havent got a clue who nativeponies is!!!) I agree Highhill, there does seem to be a mild form of verbal bullying aimed at Nativeponies.....  This is after all a gossip site, where people can voice their opinions...  |
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Post by nativeponies on Jun 14, 2009 18:40:51 GMT
thanks highhill and pony mum, aint bothered by this persons remarks, they mean nothing to me!! i am a "poor single" mum, in a relationship with a man who lives 37miles away, not that it is anything to do with that person...i stated my personal circumstances meant i cannot enter every show by the closing date and therefore we miss out on alot of shows...and i know it isnt just me in that situation!!! i may well be a "poor single mum" but i wont be spending my mans money...not for showing or owt else!! AND I CERTAINLY AM NOT AFTER SYMPATHY!! we do ok and have enough in the pot to have nice things like ponies, just wish we could do more of the bigger shows...which we cant unless they dont have ridiculously early closing dates!!!!!! xx
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Post by hold on on Jun 25, 2009 12:49:26 GMT
we would enter alot more if the closing dates werent so early..im a poor single mum...boo hoo!! and cant afford all in one go. I noted the agressive response to 'confused' comments and can't help but say that Nativeponies' personal circumstances were brought into this open discussion by herself, so surely she should be prepared for them to be debated, if they are forming part of her reasoning for rescheduling entry dates. In the current economic climate there are loads of us, single parents and others, who make sacrifices to support just one pony at local RC shows where it costs less than a tenner for a class, never mind 'three at a good few grand so far in entries' as per Nativeponies moans. There are loads of kids who could never have a chance to spend that much on a pony, never mind entries for one season showing. As regards having to withdraw from competitions once you have qualified can't it be used as additional practice or maybe allow substitutions upto say two weeks before. Though where horse or rider fitness is the problem stopping the competing I think there should be room for refunds (even if partial) on production of medical evidence. Quite sure the stablling could be reallocated at most big shows perhaps just for part days to recoup some show expenses. |
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Post by JadeCannon on Jun 25, 2009 13:31:24 GMT
Still not sure why this thread has been aimed at NP??? I think we could all do with later entry dates, online schedules and online entries would be fab!! Oh and discounts would be great!!! haha!
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Post by thecremellosociety on Jun 25, 2009 14:52:42 GMT
Still not sure why this thread has been aimed at NP??? I think we could all do with later entry dates, online schedules and online entries would be fab!! Oh and discounts would be great!!! haha! Not that i am lazy do you know the type of complications and workloads involved,in my case it would be very hard to do, considering that 3 days prior to sho i am chasing bounced cheques and incorrect entries, im sure shows with man power and staff can possibly do it, something we will look at, we do online schedules, we close 5 weeks pre show, with technical problems etc online entries could be tricky fo a show of many competitors, we do it for the charity show but can cause problems and more expense in processing payments PLease we do try to please but we cannot work miricles and things have to be done steadily within a organisation they cant be rushed, having the schedules online is a big help though you still get people that dont actually read them and enter the classes their freinds told them to enter !!! Sorry i need to have a waffle as sometimes it is very stressful |
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Post by JadeCannon on Jun 25, 2009 15:51:13 GMT
Not that i am lazy do you know the type of complications and workloads involved,in my case it would be very hard to do, considering that 3 days prior to sho i am chasing bounced cheques and incorrect entries, im sure shows with man power and staff can possibly do it, something we will look at, we do online schedules, we close 5 weeks pre show, with technical problems etc online entries could be tricky fo a show of many competitors, we do it for the charity show but can cause problems and more expense in processing payments PLease we do try to please but we cannot work miricles and things have to be done steadily within a organisation they cant be rushed, having the schedules online is a big help though you still get people that dont actually read them and enter the classes their freinds told them to enter !!! Sorry i need to have a waffle as sometimes it is very stressful Thats Fine - Your show is not one of the shows my comment was aimed at! ;D You have your schedule online and entries are simple and easy to do and I dont think 5 weeks is too bad - its the 8/10/12 week closing dates that are difficult. What problems are there with online entries? Not questioning you, just curious at how these work? Longton's seemed to work really easily but RIHS seem to be having a few problems! |
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Post by thecremellosociety on Jun 25, 2009 16:01:24 GMT
Gld you happy with us we do try very hard, and almost find it hard to detach yourself as a person from the show, its like you want it to go as well as you can and the old motto dont take it personally is very hard not to do i think if i can cope processing 817 entries alone in a week really then with follow ups that 8 - 12 weeks is a long time ! |
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Post by JadeCannon on Jun 25, 2009 16:18:05 GMT
Gld you happy with us we do try very hard, and almost find it hard to detach yourself as a person from the show, its like you want it to go as well as you can and the old motto dont take it personally is very hard not to do i think if i can cope processing 817 entries alone in a week really then with follow ups that 8 - 12 weeks is a long time ! I know, and I give all show organisers a great deal of respect - I love all the peoplle who say 'I would do it' I'd run a show' I'd volunteer' - I am honest when I say - I wouldnt!!!! There is no way I could process all those boring entries, put them in the correct classes, pick the ring layouts etc and thats without dealing with the incorrect entries and bounced cheques!! Something I would like to see is rosettes / placings to at least 10th in HOYS M&M Classes - esp when there is more than 15 entered. And I would also like to see that all shows offer first prizes that exceed the entry fee. |
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