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Post by hoys pot on Jul 3, 2009 8:15:43 GMT
trading standards! a friend of mine works for them, she bought a pony from us so good job it was everything we saids it was! she still has him 4 years later! i would not have thought to check years ago as i knew nothing about hoys or how hard it is to qualify or how big it was, but would have thought it sounded good. So probably would've believed them.
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Post by eskvalleystud on Jul 3, 2009 9:30:38 GMT
yep alot of people would just assume the seller is being truthful, if there is somewhere to check then it should be publised more so people know straight away where to check, although I would assume the person who bought the pony or horse in good faith could still go back to seller years on if they discovered it had not indeed qualified - I am sure there must be some comeback?
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Post by hoys pot on Jul 3, 2009 9:54:50 GMT
i think because she didnt buy it for showing she wasnt too bothered about taking things further..was a nice pony, she fell in love with it, until they got it home and it kept lobbing child off, did it and tried it with me many times! hoys? wasnt capable of a local show!
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Post by Milliesmum on Jul 3, 2009 12:28:11 GMT
I think 'potential' is one thing, every horse advertised has the word somewhere in the ad, it's up to the buyer then to make their own decision. Actually saying a pony has won this or qualified that when it hasn't is blatantly mis-describing in order to command a higher price, and then I think you would have a case against the vendor.
Check everything twice is my opinion, before you part with your money!
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Post by hoys pot on Jul 3, 2009 18:20:36 GMT
i would definitely check everthing twice, but some have no clue what HOYS is. But yes there would definitely be a case should the matter arise. I just do not know how some people have the nerve to do such things, its totally crazy!
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Post by dun4u on Jul 3, 2009 21:53:32 GMT
Perhaps we should go back to good ol' "Horse of the Year Show" - then 'potential' buyers may understand what is meant. I do get fed up with so many abbreviations which are used these days, particularly that one. After all it doesn't even 'sound' attractive, does it?  I suppose soon we'll be hearing of ponies which have qualified for 'O'! |
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Post by ladybird on Jul 4, 2009 7:07:44 GMT
love it dun4u!!!!!!!
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Post by hoys pot on Jul 4, 2009 9:36:06 GMT
But even horse of the year show doesnt mean a thing to some horsey people! some have never heard of it! If sellers were honest none of this would matter, that means honest with themselves too!! Have seen some fabulous 13hand lead rein ponies for sale lately! but do they mean leading it round the farm and tracks at home? so maybe those who place ads for lead reins who mean show animals should say so, the whole pony world does not revolve around showing believe it or not! what does first ridden mean to people who have never stepped foot on a showground?  |
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Post by dun4u on Jul 4, 2009 12:36:49 GMT
I'm afraid there's no getting away from the fact that some 'horse dealers' are notoriously untruthful - a business which dates back hundreds of years. In recent times some car dealers have earned this reputation and I've always likened them to the horse dealers of a bygone era: they are born into it and they seem to inherit the gene which does not provide them with a conscience, which most of us automatically assume everyone has. Yes, it is hard to believe that many 'horsey' people have never heard of the Horse of the Year Show - IMO they live in sad ignorance of the wider horsey world out there but seem to be happy and content to potter around with their ponies. I'm Judging at an un-affiliated show tomorrow and will expect, as always, to see LR ponies with ropes on bits and childrens feet wedged in non-safety irons with the leathers twisted round them. The FR will have one or two that are downright dangerous and the veterans will have saddles which are so close to the withers that you cannot get a cigarette paper between that and the pommel. I do my best by explaining to them how to improve etc. - sometimes they take note, many times they don't want to know. One mum, whose daughter came last in Tack & Turnout with a dirty badly-behaved pony, filthy tack and a pink numnah told me in no uncertain terms that they only competed for fun so it wasn't necessary to 'get it right'. Poor kid, coming last in every class certainly wasn't 'fun' for her. We must do our best to educate these people but sometimes I (and most of you, I suspect) feel that I'm banging my head against a brick wall. |
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Post by hoys pot on Jul 4, 2009 14:16:41 GMT
whats with the sad ignorance bit about? does it matter if people haven't got the foggiest about hoys? maybe some love to "potter round" with their ponies, i dont see the problem tbh!! i never knew what hoys was while growing up, or indeed that showing existed, doesnt mean i didnt have a clue as to my horses welfare and that at the end of the day is what matters surely? some would be glad to never get involved with showing and some are happy doing other things.
i do agree that people at local shows should take your advice, badly fitting tack etc is a big no no, but they are at the lowest level at the sport and i am sure they will learn and improve at some point, some people dont thank you for advice and that is truly ungrateful.
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Post by dun4u on Jul 5, 2009 21:12:54 GMT
hoys pot, I used the expression: 'they live in sad ignorance' as I was referring to the main topic of this post.
i.e. It seems that some sellers do not understand the meaning of 'HOYS potential' when wording their adverts.
As you said in an earlier post: 'some have no clue what HOYS is'
Anyway, I had a lovely day's judging today; well mannered ponies and competitors, a super lunch and not a pink numnah or hoys potential in sight!!
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Post by frozzy on Jul 6, 2009 16:09:17 GMT
As eskvalley stud has already said, the person who sold the SecA as having qualified for HOYS twice was told by me that she was breaking the Sale of Goods act and she should amend the ad asap. She shrugged her shoulders and said so what!
To be honest she is quite low on brain cells as she was caught out feeding another pony ACP . When challenged over it she stated that the ACP was only fed to it because it was a bad traveller!!
Oh right so when it gets into the ring you just tell it its not doped any more!!!
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Post by tafsmum on Jul 6, 2009 16:28:41 GMT
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Post by eskvalleystud on Jul 6, 2009 16:43:16 GMT
umm, well it can be re-registered as a D right now and would really think the best idea would be to get this done and advertise as a D before loaning out as a ridden show prospect - at present it certainly couldn't be in a C class!!! does look like a nice pony
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Post by gauntlet on Jul 6, 2009 19:29:25 GMT
Interesting as so many of the animals that qualify for HOYS are not good enough to be there. Is that because the best horses aren't qualifying or because the standard of animals being shown is not very high? ? |
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Post by dun4u on Jul 6, 2009 22:10:22 GMT
I bred a pony five years ago and know it's breeding back four generations and that it is a 3/4 TBxpart-bred connemara. The people now have it advertised as part bred Welsh and when I reminded them that it had no Welsh blood in it they said 'what does it matter, it sounds better!'
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Post by tabbyx on Sept 9, 2009 20:49:59 GMT
heard from a friend that she had this conversation with the people who came to try her pony.
it had qualified for HOYS winning royal highland last year small plaited coloureds and finished 7th at HOYS as a 5yr old.
friend to girl: you know she hasn't been ridden since HOYS don't you?
girl looks at her blankly before replying: What's HOYS?
unfortunately she had to sell her to them as they client wanted the pony sold after my friend had schooled,broken,produced and shown her all her self.
i laughed so much when i heard this.
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Post by tabbyx on Sept 9, 2009 20:54:59 GMT
oh and if you ever come across XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX don't touch her with a barge pole. she sells her pony as 10 year old bombproof pony club ponies when they're actually 3year old nutty things that won't set foot out of the yard and spin and bolt at the sight of a car.
Edited to remove name.
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Post by Milliesmum on Sept 9, 2009 21:01:23 GMT
oh and if you ever come across XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX don't touch her with a barge pole. she sells her pony as 10 year old bombproof pony club ponies when they're actually 3year old nutty things that won't set foot out of the yard and spin and bolt at the sight of a car. Edited to remove name. Tabby, I have monitored your recent posts and I feel that I have to comment. It isn't appropriate to name people in connection with comments such as you have made above, as what you have accused could be seen as libellous, and could land you in a lot of trouble and possibly in the courts. Please, for your own sake, try to be a little more tactful in some of what you say, I understand that you are quite young and I feel that you could be unaware of the problems you could be creating for yourself. It might also be a good idea to have a read through the site rules, and think twice in future before you hit the 'post reply' button. I'm not trying to be nasty, I just think that you need to be more careful as you could bite off more than you can chew, so to speak. |
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Post by tuppence on Sept 12, 2009 7:28:59 GMT
My favourite adverts go something like "Potential HOYS Hack. 3yo filly, 16hh"
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