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Post by hollycane on Jun 28, 2009 20:18:33 GMT
Sorry having a moan about rude competitors. I've just judged at a very large show with HOYS qualifiers and a lot of people who should know better. Several competitors were less than polite even before the final line up. If I make the effort to walk up to you, smile and say "Good Morning" and ask permission to ride your horse and thank you after I have ridden it, I think the least you can do is make eye contact and reply when spoken to. I'm not scary, other people manage to speak.  One competitor who was pulled in first had a face like thunder and barely managed to say the horses age. GET OVER YOURSELF DEAR |
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Post by victoria (highhill) on Jun 28, 2009 20:32:56 GMT
hollycane - I think that is incredibly rude. Even my 5 year old daughter said Good Morning to the judge in both her classes today and said how old she and the pony were. Good manners cost nothing  |
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Post by thecremellosociety on Jun 28, 2009 20:39:47 GMT
rude, we have had some d**n right agressive and threatening competitors and people today, makes us wonder why we do it, trying to run over my OH as we had to shut to the public as fully full, didnt find it so funny when my freind who was off duty went and pulled out her warrant card, she soon backed off, silly cow !
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Post by elliebee on Jun 28, 2009 20:52:03 GMT
If there is one thing I have tought my daughter is manners, Please and Thank you go along way but cost you nothing, she is always polite to her teachers and judges. Perhaps you should of placed her down the line and told her Your horse is lovely but you need to work on your ring manners LOLx Then she would have a reason for that face. I would be well happy if I were to be pulled in first at a HOYS qualifier, will never happen to me xxxxx
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Post by Balvenie on Jun 28, 2009 21:01:32 GMT
rude, we have had some d**n right agressive and threatening competitors and people today, makes us wonder why we do it, trying to run over my OH as we had to shut to the public as fully full, didnt find it so funny when my freind who was off duty went and pulled out her warrant card, she soon backed off, silly cow ! As we were leaving someone tried to run them both over. She had obviously been turned away from public and was trying to get into lorry park. Dozy cow blocked the road off for about 5mins before she finally decided to move. Why do people have to be like that,its pointless. |
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Post by sarah00000 on Jun 28, 2009 21:20:27 GMT
My boys both compete showing and dressage. They are absolute jems in charming the judges and I can honestly say, it comes naturally to them.
My littlest lad, 8 yrs, was in an open dressage comp the other day, and I could see him grinning and looking at the judge. After he made eye contact, he had the biggest grin from the corners of his mouth you could ever see.
He did his halt to finish, and I could see the judge beaming at him. When he came out, I said did the judge smile at you and he said "yes and I grinned back" I have probably won now!
Did he get extra points for charming the judge? Probably yes! Is that wrong? I dont think so. The judge saw a little boy, enjoying his pony and getting genuine pleasure from riding everything correctly and seeing the judge react positvely to his success.
Judges and competitors alike need to "chill out" and realise this whole experience is about getting the horse/pony/rider to enjoy the ride, which only happens when its gone right!
Being Sullen/sulky to a judge is hardly the way to demonstrate your love of the sport!
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Post by armada on Jun 28, 2009 23:22:32 GMT
Have a comment on this, but have just heard Nick Cave's dulcent tones from Glastonbury on the box, so will regroup tomorrow!!
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Post by hollycane on Jul 4, 2009 20:45:27 GMT
Oh the joys of juding. Had another few today. My last placed beast in a novice cob class actually dismounted once outside the ring and stalked back in whilst the next class was coming in. She wanted to know "just why you put my horse so far down the line". My steward virtually fainted. As I had already given her diplomatic pep talk about Dobbin after the placings I asked her to please leave the ring. He darling was a carthorse with splints I could hang my hat on, a curb and a mouth like a iron.
Another one actually came into the workers and complained that I had put the fences up between the Novice and the Open and she wasn't sure if she could jump them "now they were so big" 2ft 9" woo hoo! Read the schedule darlin'
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Post by rude on Jul 4, 2009 21:07:17 GMT
Bloody hell. well all credit to you for holding your patience!
It is rather ridiculous that sort of behaviour and why would you not have the jumps put up between the novice and the open? isnt that the norm?
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Post by hollycane on Jul 4, 2009 21:18:18 GMT
I must be getting much more diplomatic in my old age..... I just think of the huge G+T I'm gonna get when I get home (or in the Show Sec's tent if they know me well) You totally have to put the fences up. It was in the show catlogue and also in the societies rules. It was only 1 hole on most fences and two on a few.
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Post by rude on Jul 4, 2009 21:31:45 GMT
Yes, large g&t in order i think! what is 2 ft 9 anyway its nothing for a horse, or shouldnt be if its competing! An 11hander can do that with its eyes shut and legs tied behind its back, well all of ours did anyway. You deserve credit for taking that kind of behaviour, enjoy your g&t  |
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Post by eskvalleystud on Jul 4, 2009 22:20:26 GMT
I really feel for the judges and stewards who have to contend with those who are aggressive and not open to advise and suggestions, you shouldn't show if you cannot take the critism
another thing that bugs me is the snooty ringside commentators, who comment on everything they could do better with the pony or horse, how they would expertly do things and how bad the rider rides, the pony goes, the bit they use, the every single second they make in the ring as being incorrect and how they can do better, if they are that good why aren't they in the ring competing, I even heard one stating out loud how snooty a look a girl gave them, when all the girl was doing was concentrating working her pony in! its not just snooty competitors but snooty ringside judges
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Post by eskvalleystud on Jul 4, 2009 22:23:24 GMT
oh and I do agree as a competitor its extremely rude not to give a smile and function as a normal human being, I would give some the benefit of the doubt though, some people who appear snooty are actaully so darned nervous that they can't function right in the showring, saying that you'd still expext a nervous smile at least!!!
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Post by colourful on Jul 5, 2009 5:25:27 GMT
Our connie was moved up to 2nd in a class yesterday - the cob in first place was terrific and deserved its win, however outside the ring the cob owners mother said " Dont know what she saw in that white one, thought she was going to move into first above you" - keep your comments to yourself please - you are not judging the class and its not only rude to other competitors you are being rude to the judge on her choice of placings. Bad losers are one thing, but a bad winner - well that is something else.  |
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Post by Buster138 on Jul 8, 2009 20:28:56 GMT
I thought it is really bad ring manners too overtake and that you should circle away into a space (correct me if i'm wrong on this) At a show a couple of weeks ago there was a mum on the ringside shouting at her child to overtake she didn't care who heard her I was mortified!! If your going to give outside help to your child should you not do it discreatly and give them the correct info?
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Post by tabbyx on Sept 6, 2009 7:49:26 GMT
sometimes i have to overtake but never in front of the judge(unless they turn round)
a horse should easily be able to jump 2 foot 9" my sisters old pony(14.2 welsh cob) hunted with the ledbury right up front with the master who she worked for and the pony was jumping about 5ft high hedges that were about 4ft wide and clearing them easily.
Edited to remove childrens names by request.
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Post by Ziggy on Sept 6, 2009 10:35:00 GMT
ooh! these people should be happy, they are so lucky to have beautifull animals that they can show. sorry makes me cross!
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Post by hollycane on Sept 8, 2009 18:16:25 GMT
Another moan as it was me who started this thread! Dear mother of person for whom you are grooming. Please do not chastise your offspring loudly in front of me. As far as I am concerned you are the groom, your child is the rider and I am adressing my comments to them. So do not answer for them. Also do not tell me how much dear Dobbin has won nor how much you paid for him or what he won last week. And please both of you at least try to smile!!
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Post by bothered on Sept 8, 2009 21:36:53 GMT
tabby i dont think its right naming children for not smiling, to some children it does not come naturally and might struggle with this task it doesnt mean they are been rude
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Post by bemused on Sept 8, 2009 22:47:27 GMT
Sometimes not smiling is called concentration! It does not mean the children are miserable or unhappy. I have seen some very (fixed) smiley children in the ring - doesnt always necessarily mean a lot. AND I TOTALLY AGREE WITH BOTHERED - PEOPLE SHOULD NOT BE NAMING CHILDREN IN THIS DEROGATORY WAY ON AN OPEN FORUM. Some children smile, some children don't - so what?
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Post by nikki on Sept 9, 2009 2:00:45 GMT
I have to say that whenever I have seen Julie T's showing team, they always seem a very happy lot. As regards smiling in the ring, I do believe that you should smile at the judge when you come out for your individual show/in hand or are approached by judge, but when you are actually riding sometimes concentration just takes over and smiling is the last thing on your mind (particularly when you are young).
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Post by bemused on Sept 9, 2009 7:38:17 GMT
Exactly Nikki - well said. A polite smile to judges and another one with thanks when given a rosette (whatever colour) is fine by me. If you are lucky enough - a big smile on the lap of honour (and I am sure a release of tension/concentration) is lovely to see - both with children and adults.
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Post by apple123 on Sept 9, 2009 8:24:30 GMT
Another moan as it was me who started this thread! Dear mother of person for whom you are grooming. Please do not chastise your offspring loudly in front of me. As far as I am concerned you are the groom, your child is the rider and I am adressing my comments to them. So do not answer for them. Also do not tell me how much dear Dobbin has won nor how much you paid for him or what he won last week. And please both of you at least try to smile!! I don't understand why people do this??? Why would you want anyone to know how much you paid for your horse - know I wouldn't want people knowing! And how rude to boast to a judge about previous results, isn't that just trying to pressure them into a placing - a little sad if that's what people have to rely on to get a result and a bit insulting to the judge to think that they can be swayed by this. I must admit I don't smile enough in the ring as I am in deep concentration ;D |
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Post by dun4u on Sept 9, 2009 13:12:14 GMT
At local level the competitors are usually very keen to tell you that Dobbin was a rescue case!
But, on a positive note, at local level, riders often vary from very experienced to novice so not only do us Judges have the pleasure of seeing a wonderful smile on a surprised novice's face but often tears of joy from all concerned. That's what it's all about, and, I might add, it even brings tears to my eyes which I have to hide!
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Post by tabbyx on Sept 9, 2009 20:32:02 GMT
i had a lovely judge last weekend at twyning show. she was so nice she gave us 2nd(the pony went fab best he's ever done for me)in the ridden pony and 3rd in the show hunter pony(he went even better than he did in the first class) she was so nice she said well done and thank you after each person did their show, and was really nice when she handed out the rosettes, really complimentry of my pony(i've put in somuch work over the holidays and it's finally paying off)
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Post by Giddie on Sept 12, 2009 0:02:37 GMT
I really do find these threads interesting to read, but my observations are that some of you folks with your responses show little professionalism especially being in roles such as a judge and being and a person who run shows, to name two. I couldn't and wouldn't exactly say that someone that makes comments like
"Get over yourself dear" and using such terms as "silly cow"
when trying to describe their distaste and annoyance about/for someone is being very adult or Role Model like !! Even if it is just on a horsey forum...
Surely your professionalism should be paramount especially when addressing such sites like this. Not forgetting you are on show for all to see.
I do believe strongly that competitors should behave in a manner that is appropriate for the ring and yes a polite hello and a good morning with a smile goes a long way.
Manners and common courtesy cost nothing and we should all show this even when annoyance seems to be getting the better of us.
l certainly as a judge would want to hold onto my pride and be proud about doing the job l am doing and certainly wouldn't be coming on sites like here talking in what could be seen as an offensive way about particular competitors and the much needed future customers..
Sorry if this offends but it is only my observations.
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Post by hollycane on Sept 13, 2009 22:02:23 GMT
Well Giddie I guess what I was trying to say in my beginning comment was is that what I would have really liked to say to this competitor out loud, to their face after having seen them many times along with their professional producer was"get over yourself". Particularly as on this day their horse was pulled in first by the skin of it's teeth.
My professionalism on the day prevented me from doing so. Again, manners cost nothing and I spend the time and ask every single competitor if I can ride their horse and I thank them afterwards. It's not much is it.
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Post by Giddie on Sept 14, 2009 8:43:36 GMT
Hollycane l really do understand where you and Emma are coming from but just mere observation of those in higher positions being a flagship almost for the organisation on that day, therefore should not let standard drop even when on an open forum trying to explain. I would go even as far as to say it is unprofessional to talk about competitors and the paying public, when in that position of leadership..
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Post by halfpass on Sept 14, 2009 19:13:43 GMT
Hollycane l really do understand where you and Emma are coming from but just mere observation of those in higher positions being a flagship almost for the organisation on that day, therefore should not let standard drop even when on an open forum trying to explain. I would go even as far as to say it is unprofessional to talk about competitors and the paying public, when in that position of leadership.. w Yet time and time again we get threads on here moaning about judges, why not let the judges have their say, in a ideal world no one would moan about anything, but that sure ain't going to happen in my life time, as long as no names are mentioned I can't see the harm. |
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Post by Giddie on Sept 14, 2009 20:30:12 GMT
Not moaning about anyone having their say Halfpass and yes they should.... just a mere observation. Something like l said l think is unprofessional. If l asked a judge to judge at a show l was organising l certainly wouldn't take too kindly if that individual came onto sites like this basically being insulting about competitors and the people paying public by making such comments about individuals. Yes by all means have your say as judges, and l think it is very positive when judges speak out..but there is ways and means of doing it and professionalism and manners do go along way, well that is what everyone keeps saying on this site, about having manners when in the ring and l wholely agree with that , but then surely it has to work the other way as well, whereby respect should be given to competitors and the paying public..
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