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Post by halfpass on Sept 14, 2009 21:22:54 GMT
I think we will have to agree to disagree on this one giddy, when competitors stop coming on here and saying they went to such and such show and the judge was blind, senile or just down right bent, then I maybe more inclined to say that comments made by judges are a touch harsh.
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Post by Giddie on Sept 16, 2009 6:14:23 GMT
Agree we will have to agree to differ, but just to say two wrongs don't make a right !!!
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Post by wornthetshirt on Sept 16, 2009 6:39:38 GMT
Have just found this thread and have read it with interest.
I can see both sides of the 'beg to differ' conversation - BUT - in support of 'the competitor' it is expected that 'those in a position of authority' should be expected to set a good example.
The other side of this is that 'those in a position of Authority' are 99% of the time, doing so in a purely voluntary capacity.
Ok, so they don't need to do it.
Turn to another thread and you will find a BSPS Area who are holding an open meeting, appealing for more help from their Area Members as functions cannot run themselves.
'The Competitior', (and his/her connections) conversely, would do well to remember that, as has been said elsewhere, a smile costs nothing.
Only the other week, OH & I did stuff at a (well-known) show way over and above the usual course of judging duty. Has that crept onto this website??
Of course not!
However, the competitors and connections concerned seemed very pleased and indeed were very helpful at the time.
That's a totally different breed of competitor.
The selfish, self-centered, opinionated moan, moan, moaning variety are not often seen helping, so they don't have a clue how much personal sacrifice it entails.
modified to correct my lousy spelling!
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Post by kickon on Sept 16, 2009 19:52:43 GMT
COME ON!!! IN THE RING Juges are in charge of you with the help of a good ring steward. From where I have been sitting most of the competitors need a bit of a slap!! Bless them ! They have not got a clue how to behave. Most of the ones that do are disappearing up the own bottoms. Whats wrong with people. Even if you carnt stand someone it cost nothing to smile and not ruin so one elses show.
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Post by Giddie on Sept 17, 2009 12:59:43 GMT
Think kickon you have missed the point , it is about what is written here...
Wornthetshirt, whilst l respect what you say it would have been nice to have had a more blalanced view one line of support for the arguement for the competitor and about 10 lines for the judge..However l do happen to agree with you..Except that these people are experts in their field, but sadly lacking professionalism, but like l said this is just my opinion..and like with halfpass we will just have to agree to differ.
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Post by thecremellosociety on Sept 17, 2009 14:13:12 GMT
Hollycane l really do understand where you and Emma are coming from but just mere observation of those in higher positions being a flagship almost for the organisation on that day, therefore should not let standard drop even when on an open forum trying to explain. I would go even as far as to say it is unprofessional to talk about competitors and the paying public, when in that position of leadership.. Only just read this, 99% of our competitors etc are great people why shouldnt i be able to voice out about the 1% that were actually horrid and rude, come on, reality check there, put it this way if i am the flag ship for the organisation then maybe i am doing the whole organisation a favour when we make it clear this behaviour will not be tolerated so if you cant act in a reasonable polite manner dont come !!! |
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Post by kickon on Sept 17, 2009 15:58:23 GMT
Thats fair enough!
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Post by Giddie on Sept 17, 2009 18:20:53 GMT
Yes Emmajane to the right people just as yourself and others, some of whom are judges say on here.. You like me have heard it whereby competitors are asked to complain through the right channels come on it has to be both ways then that makes it fair. Complain to the right people not blurt it out on the forum site like this.. I agree competitors should also do the same but this thread was about judges reactions..
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Post by halfpass on Sept 17, 2009 21:00:17 GMT
Yet again no names are mentioned no shows are mentioned not even where in the country these indiscretions have occurred unlike a lot of the treads started by competitors, so what is the harm, it would be a different case if they were in the middle of the ring and added such comments, as for judges being the flag ship for a show, what a crock of sh1t they are employed by a show on their ability to judge the animals in front of them and award prizes in order of merit, not to take the abuse with a smile on their face.
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Post by thecremellosociety on Sept 17, 2009 21:34:07 GMT
Giddie so your saying its acceptable for some irate person who sadly i dont know who it was, or i would name and shame, to try to run over my partner, out of temper, only to be extreemly meek and mild when confronted by an off duty police officer  ? Sorry if i knew who it was i would name and shame, and just in case they read this, i will make it known that they wont be welcome back, neither will the lady beating the pony !!!!!! I suppose thats acceptable also, i actually dealt with that in a very tactful way ! So sorry if you think i have "blurted" anything out, well no actually im not sorry, i am to run nice shows, and a little bit of common courtesy doesnt go a miss, and why shouldnt those few who are rude and horrid be named and shamed !!!!!! Lets face it judges take enough bashings on here, and they may not be named and shamed, but suggestions etc are made and dates and classes so not hard to find out who is being spoken about !!! Lets just remeber 1 judge on one day, one opnion, a judge is not there to please everyone, its there to make a decision based on what they see on the day, they are normally very underpaid in most cases for milage costs and a decent lunch, and deserve some manners from competitiors !!!!I had it at the weekend when i felt unduly placed in a class, cost us an overall years placing due to a judge not liking me, but i smiled sweetly and we live to fight another day, If people compete or attend shows etc just have the decency to be polite and gracious !!!!! And if you have a gripe then go ahead mention it tactfully on a internet site such as this !! |
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Post by Giddie on Sept 18, 2009 6:21:03 GMT
Emmajane , l could have relied on you to get it all wrong , suggest you actually read the post before you blast off in a tirade about the right s and wrongs.
Just for the record no one has ever said that it is right to do all the things you have identified, all l was saying that it is not right to use such terms as "silly cow" in your instance when trying to describe someone that you have distaste for, especially being in the position you are in. I personally think it reeks of total unprofessionalism.
However you then seem to be the first on here to defend judges when someone is being what they would see as generally critical. It certainly seems that what is alright for a select few to say is not alreight for others.. ie if it is ok for you to be very insulting about competitors and their families then surely you should be able to understand that it is ok for those that want to be critical about judges to be able to do the same..
Please note l totally disagree with both these issues as l wouldn't allow my own professionalism to drop to such low standards, but prehaps that is the way that l have been brought up to respect others !!!!
Halfpass you can play with the words regarding the flagship of the show as much as you like but you are still being held/employed to do a responsible job, that does not give that person the right to be abuse on open forums about competitors they have judged..just as it does not give me the right to abuse and talk about the people l work with in the Mental Health sector...
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Post by halfpass on Sept 18, 2009 11:44:02 GMT
Halfpass you can play with the words regarding the flagship of the show as much as you like but you are still being held/employed to do a responsible job, that does not give that person the right to be abuse on open forums about competitors they have judged..just as it does not give me the right to abuse and talk about the people l work with in the Mental Health sector... Giddie I think that you need you to rephrase your post back to me, in no way have I ever been abusive to a competitor or judge nor have I ever posted on open forum complaining about about either, nor would I, which your post implies, but I would still support any judge who wished to voice their opinion providing no site rules where broken, no names, shows, counties are mentioned, as I have said If such comments like "silly cow" was said in the ring, then I would find that unacceptable and totally unprofessional. I look forward to your reply. |
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Post by Giddie on Sept 18, 2009 14:14:00 GMT
Halfpass that in no way implies you have ever been abusive to a competitor or judge, I really don't know why you have re-entered the thread given that you and l agreed to differ on our views, however it is pleasing to know then that you would find it acceptable for me to be calling judges..particular judges "silly cows"..as long as l don't highlight the show !! Uhm l don't think so. As for not naming the show it doesn't take much working out which show Emmajane runs, she promotes very well!!
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Post by halfpass on Sept 18, 2009 15:27:43 GMT
She promotes all three of her Shows very well, all at different venues and she judges at many more, so which one is she talking about?
Again you have twisted what I have said to justify your argument, once again,NO SITE RULES ARE BROKEN, NO NAMES, NO SHOWS or COUNTIES, then I would say yes you can call me a "silly cow" and I would support your right to freedom of speech, as is my right to re-enter a conversation if I so choose.
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Post by thecremellosociety on Sept 18, 2009 16:12:52 GMT
Love you HP xxxx My silly cow comment was towards a person she may have been a competitor or just a member of the public, who tried to run down my other half who was just doing his job, end of !!!!!!!! I tell you something i have been very restrianed calling her a silly cow, considering i didnt know who she was but ut it this way had i got to her before my freind who was a PC did then she would have gotten far more than a silly cow comment off me !!!! If she chose to act in a manner that endangered my other halfs life !! Im sure you would have been a little less than professional in this instance dont you And if this is the only instance where i am unprofessional, then so be it, if you care to highlight anymore instances get on with it !!!! |
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Post by thecremellosociety on Sept 18, 2009 16:15:11 GMT
and why shouldnt i promote my shows well giddie or was that actually a compliment ?? Just for the record HP your schedule is on its was can you just pm me your address again so i can check i have the right one, Hope to see most of you at the winter show, after all 2 outta 3 of MY shows are charity based  so far RDA Had 2850 + 550 + 450 from us in 4 years which i dont think is very bad at all, actually im very pleased with that and will comtinue to promote my shows in anway i see fit |
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Post by ellieraga on Sept 18, 2009 16:27:06 GMT
Go Girl, dont see any rules being broken
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Post by heathers on Sept 18, 2009 16:36:01 GMT
i really do think that giddie's promoting comment was a well deserved compliment.
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Post by Giddie on Sept 18, 2009 17:04:06 GMT
Without the tinge of sarcasism expressed in your thread above (Emmajanes) l am able to say it was a compliment and yes of course you should promote your shows and l highly commend what you do , I am very surprised that you haven't been able to remember the compliments l have given you on numerous ocassions about the good you do.
However, that is not what this thread was about it was about the comments made about a competitor and people paying public/competitor and l still stand by the fact that it is not right that the thoughts you had/ have should be plastered all over the forum, in the way that it has.
Intrestingly l note that you haven't agreed to the fact that it is ok to slam judges if no show was metioned..(not that l am into slamming judges but you know there are a few people who like to express their feelings) Given you can do this about competitors and about the people paying public / competitor why is it so wrong that others can't be as insultive as demonstrated by yourself and one other above..
From what l can record whenever this is been done regarding judges the thread usually gets closed...Like l said l don't agree with slamming judges as l don't agree with slamming competitors or the people paying public.
Anyway that is not what l am abducating here all l am saying is, and l have said on numerous ocassions that it is in my own opinion wrong from those in such positions to talk about others and plaster it over the forum site such as this. I also said l believe that you folks are suppose to be role models..I certainly wouldn't want to follow your role modelling if that is the way that you feel it is acceptable to behave. But again l stress that is my opinion..You obviously don't agree with that and that's ok but, l am allowed to have my opinion.
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Post by hopeteam on Sept 19, 2009 7:47:24 GMT
Snooty/Rude Competitors bother me, and I can Understand why EmmaJame, would feel the need to use the "silly cow" term, as I know if somebody tried to run someone i was with down .. I would be absolutely furious.
As has been already stated, Manners Cost Nothing & To be a good winnner you need to be a good Loser first!!
Three Years ago, my dad took up a job running a very large County Show.
If there is anything to open your eyes to how much works goes into a show it is having a famiy member doing it!
I would ow urge EVERYONE to think before they post about how unfair judging was etc because the work & money that goes into getting ONE SINGLE judge is much more than your entry fee so put it behind you & forget!
Alot of people moaning about judging on Horsegossip, need to realise thier complaint isnt actually that Serious! If it was you would hand down a £10 deposit and a written complaint within an hour of the completion of the class!!
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Post by heathers on Sept 19, 2009 8:28:26 GMT
if someone tried to run my husband down i would sort it there and then who ever was there police or not,i wouldnt need a forum.
unfair judging......mmmmm i dont care how much work time and effert goes into it judges should still be fair who ever their mates are. some judges are pathetic.
i spend all my money on showing and to see crap ponies win because they know the judge is pathetic.i groom my ponies every day,i train them,they get treated like royalty and to see a pony get dragged off the field and get halter broken in the ring and win a championship makes me sick just because your best mate is the judge
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Post by wornthetshirt on Sept 19, 2009 9:04:30 GMT
Whoa - lets take a step back here.
Surely, this thread has gone a long way away from Hollycane's origional point and it has become too personal.
Fact - most Competitiors and their Children, (if applicable) are lovely, charming people.
Fact - Most PANEL Judges are experienced, trained, Qualified and Professional people and carry out their duties professionally.
Fact - Show Organisers and their band of helpers work d**ned hard to stage a show to which the Competitors and the Public can go.
Fact - No-one is forced to attend these functions.
Fact - Unfortunately, and here creeps in the 'Green-eyed monster' some Competitors are downright rude, are very sore losers and can be very spiteful. Note:- (before everyone starts jumping up and down) I said some Competitors.
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Post by Giddie on Sept 19, 2009 9:30:51 GMT
I totally agree wornthetshirt but you also missed one off
Fact that some judges are rude to or about competitors (as highlighted here)
and note l did say some !!
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Post by Elf on Sept 19, 2009 9:44:19 GMT
when competitors stop coming on here and saying they went to such and such show and the judge was blind, senile or just down right bent, then I maybe more inclined to say that comments made by judges are a touch harsh. I am not as old or as 'wise' as alot of the people, who have posted on this thread, but I would just like to comment. In showing it seems ok for competitors to call judges, class winners, stewards, course builders, parking men nasty things. I have heard people, both young and old, say things that they really should not say. If it is good enough, for them, to make public their opinions then why cant judges do the same? I am not saying it is nice to call anyone names, but you can not have one rule for some and another for everyone else- that is what my teachers sometime say! I sometimes steward for mum, and some of the people are so rude and have no manners at all. They are horrible to each other, aswell as the judges. I know mum is always nice to everyone- but especially to children,( just look at the nice things said about her at royal london) so why can't people be nice back? I think everyone should remember, that we all have feelings. It does not matter who you are, sometimes things do upset you. I thought showing was supposed to be fun and enjoyable? But, all it seems to generate is hatred and bad feelings. |
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Post by hopeteam on Sept 19, 2009 10:54:16 GMT
unfair judging......mmmmm i dont care how much work time and effert goes into it judges should still be fair who ever their mates are. some judges are pathetic. Sorry Heathers, I did not mean to offend you  I Know, all too well, about unfair judging. It infuriates us the competitors, but having seen it from a diffo point of view, it Infuriates the organisers so much more be cause people came to the show and did not enjoy themselves! |
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Post by heathers on Sept 19, 2009 18:40:02 GMT
hopeteam your ok
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Post by ada on Sept 19, 2009 20:59:26 GMT
I would'nt be a judge for all the tea in China,................. they carn't please everyone. if your pony has gone well and your jockey enjoyed themselves, just because you don't go home with a red rossette its no excuse to spitt the dummy out!!! only ONE person can win and its personal preferance and what they see on the day. Take it on the chin and move on!!
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Post by Giddie on Sept 19, 2009 21:12:20 GMT
This thread has lost it's original intention..
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Post by wornthetshirt on Sept 19, 2009 22:01:24 GMT
This thread has lost it's original intention.. Don't they all? |
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Post by Giddie on Sept 19, 2009 22:06:35 GMT
Mind you wornthetshirt seems like we had come to a stalemate and would have only gone round in circles.. However it is nice to know that we all don't think the same and have our own opinions, weather they be right or wrong.
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so far RDA Had 2850 + 550 + 450 from us in 4 years which i dont think is very bad at all, actually im very pleased with that and will comtinue to promote my shows in anway i see fit 
