flojo
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Post by flojo on Aug 20, 2009 20:50:41 GMT
I'm just a tad annoyed. Was interested in buying a foal, and had decided too, except last night we had a power cut, so couldn't email to let the seller know. This morning, I had an email from the seller saying the woman that had bought the foals dam had decided to also take the foal, and as it was such a great home she couldn't say no. I thought it was common courtesy to give the first interested party first refusal? I totally would've understood an email saying "I need a yes or a no", that would've been fair enough. Or why not say to the now buyer "I have someone interested, but will let you know if it's not to be". I really liked the horse, and am really annoyed about this-where was the common courtesy? And I was the first interested party-she wanted the mare and foal to go together, but the mare buyer didn't want the foal! Needed to get that off my chest!  |
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Post by pentaran on Aug 20, 2009 21:23:43 GMT
I think that one of the problems nowadays is that it is far too easy to rely on e-mail communication, people feel far more anonymous, maybe a phone call would have been better from you to confirm your wish to purchase the foal in this instance.
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Post by brindlerainbow on Aug 21, 2009 7:23:42 GMT
I rang about a pony that was just what we were looking for, had a long conversation with the woman arranged to view it the following day at around lunchtime as we were showing the dogs at a show in the morning but would go straight to the pony as soon as our classes had finished, explained this to the woman who said no probs you are the first person to call about him. Stopped and got cash on the way to dog show for a deposit as was 100% certain he was what we wanted. Rang the woman from the dog show at about 11.30 to say we are just leaving so would be with her in just under an hour to which she replied oh we sold him this morning to some one that could come first thing!!!! She should have told the other people she already had an arranged viewing and if she had rung me and said could I go first thing I would have ditched the dog show and gone to see the pony instead!!! I was totally speechless at how off hand she was.
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Post by ladybird on Aug 21, 2009 7:44:23 GMT
I think if i was a seller i would be looking for the best home rather than the person who rang/visited first. First come first served is ok for a car/washing machine etc, but not when an animal is involved. I do however completely agree that common courtesy costs nothing and a phone call to explain the situation takes only a minute.
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Post by sarah00000 on Aug 21, 2009 8:20:40 GMT
If I am buying, I am always very aware that someone else will "very likely" be after the animal too. Afterall, if its a quality animal, then others will share your opinion.
I always dash to see it, ASAP, make my decision, pay the deposit and organize vettings in a flash. I still never quite believe its mine, till its in the lorry!
Experiences from the past, let you know that it can be sold from under you at any time.
Also, when selling, exactly the same "let downs" occur, so sellers are never SURE of a sale, until the money changes hands.
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Post by Guestless on Aug 21, 2009 8:54:44 GMT
It's such a difficult market at the moment, that I imagine anyone selling will take the first serious offer as long as they think it an appropriate home for their horse or pony. I sold one last year and had 2 people coming up on the one weekend to see her - it was a dilemma for me whether to let the second people know but I was aware it was a long journey so I decided to be honest......was glad I was as they were the ones who bought her, but it was a worry that they wouldn't take the risk of the long journey up.  |
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Post by hollycane on Aug 22, 2009 22:11:31 GMT
I agree flojo. I've given up buying and selling as so many have no common courtesy to either tell you that the animal is sold and prevent a trip or do not bother to turn up to try and animal when an appointment is made. I've had endless excuses from buyers even quite a few deposits and passed vettings and they don't pay.
As I've said in other posts manners and courtesy are not in plentiful supply anywhere these days.
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Post by heathers on Aug 23, 2009 12:47:49 GMT
i agree with guestless.
so many people have wasted my time about ponies that i have to make sure of a sale as long as the home is appropriate but i would always keep all interested parties aware of whats going on.
one lady just a few weeks ago wanted to buy a pony from me phoned for my paypal address to make full payment but i havent heard from her since.total time waster
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Post by ffynnoncadno on Aug 23, 2009 14:33:10 GMT
I'm sick to death of "TIMEWASTERS" and I'm starting to lose my patience with people and it's not fair then for genuine people who turn up.I think we should start a name and shame topic,so people are not let down and stuck in waiting for these prats. I'm pleased that people who turn up and give such good comments about what I'm selling and they always seem to get what they want.At the end of the day I do not want to lose a good reputation. ***********NAME AND SHAME********** |
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Post by nj on Aug 23, 2009 16:31:44 GMT
 Had a horrible incident about 3wks ago, we are looking to loan or loan with view to buy a SP/SHP for our little girl, found a wonderful pony, total schoolmaster, been there done that SP, spoke for hours on the phone with the lady and arranged to view the pony the following day, took day off work and took us over 4hrs to get there. We fell in love with him and he was just what we were looking for, the people were also lovely and we spent hours there for them to get to know us and vice versa, he was absoulately perfect, after 3hrs, the people made it clear that they were more than happy for us to have him, as he did have some issues which we were happy as they were being honest, we decided that that for him to have a home for life with us (This is what the people wanted) we were going to buy him instead. They told us to think about it on our way home and give them a ring, well within an hour of driving back we knew that he should come to us so we phoned and gave our price which they happily accepted, I told them that I would phone them, first thing in the morning to arrange everything.  We arrived home 11pm, and I got up first thing in the morning to phone before I went to work, no one answered so I left a message saying that we were very excited for the named pony to come to us, due to my working hours and stupid shift pattern, we would not be able to come and get him until middle of August, and hoped that this would be ok, if not, to let me know straight away and I would try and arrange something, I thought that the main point for the people were that he was going to the best home, finance etc was not a problem, and they stated that they felt that he would be better off in a home with own stables and fields rather than a livery yard. Anyway I left this message, and told her to get back to me asap. At 17.10 the lady left me a message on my mobile saying that she felt that she could not wait but would speak to her husband, but that they had some people coming over to see him  . I got this message at 17.45 and phoned straight back in order to say that I would arrange for someone to pick him up the following day, hey ho when I phoned the lady stated that the people had been, fallen in love and paid for the pony I couldnt believe that in a space of 30mins this had happened!!! Ifelt very let down, that we had all spent over 3hrs together and getting to know each other, and then in a space of 30mins, this had all happened, I didn't know how to tell the little girl who as you can believe was devasteted. We will not let this put us off, as luckily we are travelling again another 4hrs to see another pony on Tuesday, so cross fingers. Sorry rant over, and sorry for taking over soo much of your thread.
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Post by heathers on Aug 23, 2009 16:58:34 GMT
well nj,because of regular timewasters/day trippers sometimes genuine people like you get let down.its very annoying
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Post by kayjayem on Aug 26, 2009 19:46:19 GMT
A special request to buyers - Please if you don't want a pony(whether it's not what you wanted or you had no intention of buying in the first place and were just out for a free ride - and we all know this happens!) have the decency to let the vendors know you don't want it. How often have we spent hours with a prospective buyer, pony not put a foot wrong and apparently "just what we are looking for" to wave them off into the sunset never to be seen again, not knowing what to tell further enquirers. A simple thanks but no thanks would be fine, I for one wouldn't be offended - surprised maybe if all had gone well but gratefull to know the situation not being a mind reader
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Post by boreatton on Aug 28, 2009 11:29:31 GMT
I'm afraid my family policy is nothing is sold until the deposit arrives and the buyer is the first suitable person through the gate with the deposit. Potential buyers are all told the pony remains on the market until a deposit arrives and we will continue showing it to interested parties.
I know it is a hard approach but it rather focusses the mind.
however I would certainly tell a customer that the pony is almost sold and waiting for a deposit more than welcome to have a look just in case it falls through
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Post by suecoeden on Sept 1, 2009 10:36:15 GMT
Unfortunately because of all the 'timewasters' we have encountered we can't trust anyone!!
I've had people for over three hours and have waved them off thinking I knew them but the promised return with the money and transport has never happened and no phone call of apology either.
Earlier this year I was contacted by a person going by the e-mail name of "littlemismental"!
they seemed genuine and even spoke for over a week about problems they had had from an unreputable person who had loaned them a pony and then wanted to sell it but hiked the price up so they couldn't afford it, thereby breaking their hearts!
I was fully sympathetic and told them (as we do everyone) that there is no obligation to buy any of our ponies just because you visit us. Come and have a look and some lunch but don't buy unless you are positive its the pony for you. A day was arranged and I received an e-mail only the evening before to say they would leave the kids in school and come straight over to us. I had given exact instructions on how to find us and they had my mobile number.
We waited with a huge pile of Sandwiches and Cream Cakes until 3 in the afternoon and sat down with the "Bloody timwasters" look to each other.
Just at that moment the phone rang! It was a girl who we had known for many years who was visiting in the area looking for something to buy. She came with four friends and we sold two ponies!! I have not had a word neither by e-mail nor phone from the others to this day!!
The point I'm trying to make is that there is so little respect and good manners about I am not prepared to trust anyone until the money is in my hand.
Sadly, this means that genuine people will be hurt because of it!
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Post by honeypot on Sept 1, 2009 12:15:51 GMT
I have only sold 5 ponies in 20 years, I sell to the most suitable home but I always make it clear the pony is not sold until cash changes hands. When I go to buy I decide on the day and pick up with the cash as soon as possible.
I have only ever once let a pony go on trial for a week,(price reduced to a friend of a frend) to be told at the end of the week that they wanted to have it vetted which would take another week( vet was busy?) having ridden it all week and told me how good it was. Couldn't understand why I was annoyed they hadn't booked the vet as soon as they thought they were going to have it. So I said bring it back and sold it to a lovely home for £1000 more 3 weeks later.
The upshot is that unfortuately there are very few people left who are as good as their word as their bond and I think anyone who has to sell ponies as part of their living deserves a medal, I certainly can find easier less frustrating ways to earn money.
I would take a cash deposit non- refundable unless the pony failed the vetting so a least you get paid for your time and the free rides.
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Post by tabbyx on Sept 5, 2009 20:36:36 GMT
i totally know what you all mean!
i was going to ride a pony for some people and i emailed them saying we can come to see the pony on whatever day it was only to get an email back saying oh a girl we compete with has sold her pony and lives near us so she's coming next week to ride it! she had told me only a couple of days before that i sounded like exactly what they were looking for!
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Post by kayjayem on Sept 5, 2009 21:40:03 GMT
i totally know what you all mean! i was going to ride a pony for some people and i emailed them saying we can come to see the pony on whatever day it was only to get an email back saying oh a girl we compete with has sold her pony and lives near us so she's coming next week to ride it! she had told me only a couple of days before that i sounded like exactly what they were looking for! At least she told you - some wouldn't even bother GGRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!! |
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Post by perfect on Sept 5, 2009 21:56:49 GMT
It works both ways, looking for a SH pony for 6yrs old girl, enquired asked the right questions, travelled 86 miles, to be met witha big pony with a pelham , ridden in an open field. and got a load of cheek of daughter.. say no more, left for home. I dont have the time to be wasted or the price of deisel on a wasted trip.
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Post by tabbyx on Sept 6, 2009 7:04:12 GMT
i totally know what you all mean! i was going to ride a pony for some people and i emailed them saying we can come to see the pony on whatever day it was only to get an email back saying oh a girl we compete with has sold her pony and lives near us so she's coming next week to ride it! she had told me only a couple of days before that i sounded like exactly what they were looking for! At least she told you - some wouldn't even bother GGRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!! good point one last year just sold the pony without even telling us. i only found out cos i was browsing the horsequest! |
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Post by xxxrowliexxx on Sept 7, 2009 11:57:36 GMT
It works both ways, looking for a SH pony for 6yrs old girl, enquired asked the right questions, travelled 86 miles, to be met witha big pony with a pelham , ridden in an open field. and got a load of cheek of daughter.. say no more, left for home. I dont have the time to be wasted or the price of deisel on a wasted trip. hello there perfect or shall i call you antony seen as thow you go buy both names...... this is gemma kerrys daughter the one you have been slateing all over horse gossip....... so lets start with the real story shall we............. you came to veiw are 12hh show hunter pony sat the 5th of sept on arivall being over an hour late...... you then walk on are yard wihout acknolaging me or my sis just comeing straite to the stable wich fran was in you then helped yourself to unlocking the door and un rugging the pony without any concent from any body you do not ever do this on anybodys yard no matter who you are it is called been dam rite rude you then was looking round fran picking her legs up pokeing and pressing her frogs wich is unapropriae that is why you get ponies vetted not to be done buy you that doesnt no wha bthere looking for ....... my mother then brought her out of the stable for you to put the stick on her wich was inaprpriate aswell espically when you wasnt measureing her in the rite place and was not even on a flat surface which i think everyone will say in the un correct way to measure any pony......... you then wanted to see her ridden so if the pony was too big as you have said on ther add why want her to be ridden..... the pony was tacked up in her normall bridle wich was a pelham we had the snaffle bridle to put on her fro your little girl........ you then made a very rude and snide comment about my sister who is only 12 to ride with a loose rein to see if the pony would behave and as you saw the pony was perfect and never made any mistakes what so ever...... you then made another rude remark about us having no arena wich im sorry to say this but not everyone has an arena and personally i prefer to ride in a nice sized feild as prepares the ponies wile schooling to be used to an open area ie when in the ring the pony will be used to a open surrounding....... after all the rude remarks you made about everything i was discusted in the way you was you spoke down your nose and most of the things you seaid was total rubbish so his is the reason i was un polite to you i think people need to be aware of what you are realy like as i would not of alowed any pony to come to a person like you no matter what the sittuation i think you need to take a long look at how you speak to people and realize that it is you who is in the wrong ........................ ps you have also quated that my sis is a big jockey she is 12year old and is an average sized girl and is 99% of the time one of the smallest in the ring so can you please exlpain to me how my sis is a big jockey ......... so please if anybody is reading this and thinking of letting this lady come to see there pony i would think twice about it as there are far better people around that will make so much better homes ........ |
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Post by piggy on Sept 7, 2009 12:21:42 GMT
I feel it is a shame that this forum is used for petty little fights, I think this is inappropraite use of what should be a useful tool!
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Post by perfect on Sept 7, 2009 12:39:01 GMT
I fully agree with you, i will not enter into a full blown discussion as the above has, but i think people who know me can see why i walked away from looking at this pony
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Post by hormonal on Sept 7, 2009 13:12:06 GMT
I must say I don't know what the objection to trying a pony in a field is all about - most of the ones we have bought have been tried in fields and I wouldn't want to buy one without knowing what it is like outside the confines of an arena! If you feel you specifically want to try a pony in an arena then it might be wise to check that one is available before travelling to view it! |
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Post by perfect on Sept 7, 2009 23:23:53 GMT
On second thoughts i will reply to xxxrowliexxx. as to my rudness.... "an hour late" i informed your mother by phone that we would be late, she said no worries.. You told me all about you being away from horses for 4 yrs and had just got a 14.2 cheap!!! We went inside because it was pouring down with rain. If anyone goes to see a pony to buy, you do check its legs and feet to see if there are any lumps/ bumps. I had asked your mother if it was ok to put a stick on your pony as she hadnt been measured, she ok that. There wasnt a flat piece of concreate so we only did a rough guide, as i did say(it was you who kept making an isue that she wasnt that big) at no time did i say the pony was to big... I had asked for the pony to be ridden in a snaffle"1st pony of Hunter Type snaffle...... I asked your sister to ride on a loose rein as a 6yr old dosent have the strong contact of an experianced older child, and i needed to see how the pony would be( it wasnt to see if she would stay in a contact as you pointed out that she wouldnt poke her nose) that wouldnt have bothered me. this she did for 2 minutes and then shouted" i cant ride like that" and took the contact back. The remark about the arena was"that i wouldnt let a 6 yr old ride in a field with a slope in the pouring rain and could do with trying her in an arena... I had not mentioned anyone or any ponys name, you have told people your business, by posting these remarks which i do find very insulting. If i was that rude!! why did your mother tell you toSHUT your mouth and come to me and say how sorry she was for your behaviour, which she also does on another thread. I belive you have now sold your pony and i am glad for you. Perhaps you can use some of the money to have some lessons in grammer and spellings as it is so clear that this is needed. end of.
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Post by soph on Sept 8, 2009 18:38:51 GMT
I agree with hormonal i think sometimes you are best to try a pony outside the confines of a small arena, as its a very different story when you put a pony in a large outdoor ring at a show!
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Had a horrible incident about 3wks ago, we are looking to loan or loan with view to buy a SP/SHP for our little girl, found a wonderful pony, total schoolmaster, been there done that SP, spoke for hours on the phone with the lady and arranged to view the pony the following day, took day off work and took us over 4hrs to get there. We fell in love with him and he was just what we were looking for, the people were also lovely and we spent hours there for them to get to know us and vice versa, he was absoulately perfect, after 3hrs, the people made it clear that they were more than happy for us to have him, as he did have some issues which we were happy as they were being honest, we decided that that for him to have a home for life with us (This is what the people wanted) we were going to buy him instead. They told us to think about it on our way home and give them a ring, well within an hour of driving back we knew that he should come to us so we phoned and gave our price which they happily accepted, I told them that I would phone them, first thing in the morning to arrange everything.
We arrived home 11pm, and I got up first thing in the morning to phone before I went to work, no one answered so I left a message saying that we were very excited for the named pony to come to us, due to my working hours and stupid shift pattern, we would not be able to come and get him until middle of August, and hoped that this would be ok, if not, to let me know straight away and I would try and arrange something, I thought that the main point for the people were that he was going to the best home, finance etc was not a problem, and they stated that they felt that he would be better off in a home with own stables and fields rather than a livery yard. Anyway I left this message, and told her to get back to me asap. 
