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Post by talponciau on Sept 3, 2009 16:16:22 GMT
this is from wales on line
Suspended sentence and 10 year ban for horse breeder
Sep 3 2009 by Elwyn Roberts
Add a commentRecommend A WOMAN who “unrealistically” tried to found a horse breeding farm to fulfil her teenage daughter’s dream left one of her horses resembling “a skeleton with skin stretched over it”, it has emerged.
The RSPCA recovered 69 horses from Dawn Elizabeth Rose’s farm, one of which was in such a wretched condition that vets were amazed it was still alive.
Flintshire Magistrates’ Court heard Rose, 49, who had been involved with horses for 40 years and has no previous convictions, had been involved in two abusive relationships and was suffering from depression and anxiety.
She separated from her common law husband, received a £300,000 settlement, and used that to set up her teenage daughter’s dream of breeding Welsh ponies. She initially bought 30 ponies and then moved to North Wales from Norfolk.
Her solicitor, James Bagby, told the court she later lost all the money and had found herself considerably in debt, having taken out loans. She also begged and borrowed from friends to buy feed for the horses, he said.
Rose was given a suspended three-year prison sentence, 100 hours of unpaid work, and was banned from keeping horses for 10 years.
One of her horses, Mist, was described by RSPCA inspector Chris Dunbar after the hearing as “a skeleton with skin stretched over it”.
Previously, Glen Murphy, prosecuting, had said the mare was the thinnest horse a vet had ever seen in 11 years of practise and was amazed she managed to stay on her feet.
A grey stallion named Owen was emaciated and had to be destroyed and two other horses later died while in RSPCA care.
Following round-the-clock care which included tiny hourly meals, Mist is now a healthy horse which has been rehoused.
“She did not stop eating for the first few weeks after she was taken into RSPCA care,” said Mr Dunbar after the hearing.
Mr Murphy told the court Rose set out to run a stud farm at Penygelli Farm at Pontfadog, near Chirk, but took on so many horses she was physically and financially incapable of meeting their needs.
“She failed to protect the animals from suffering and injury and she blamed a lack of finance, which was no excuse,” he said, claiming a lack of planning, forethought or financial backing.
District Judge Andrew Shaw told Rose that for a five or six week period in the autumn of 2008 she owned and controlled a large number of horses as part of her livelihood but she had “neglected them in an obvious and shameful way”.
He said: “The condition of the horses was obvious to anyone, even a person knowing nothing about horses.
“You allowed your personal problems to overwhelm you and you failed to act as a responsible owner.
“Indeed the plight of the animals was so obvious that your failure to alleviate it was cruel.”
Mr Bagby, defending, said Rose had not carried out malicious acts.
“She did not set out to deliberately harm them,” he said.
“This is a business venture which went horribly wrong. Ultimately she could not look after the horses in the way she should have.”
He said Rose had planned to receive sponsorship for the horses as an income and sell them but had become the subject of an internet hate campaign. He said he had print-outs of some of the very unpleasant things that had been said about her.
He said a web designer would not release Rose’ website unless he had a partnership in the business, which affected her ability to sell horses and generate income.
“She set out with good intentions,” said Mr Bagby.
Rose has since signed over all the horses to the RSPCA and all but 20 have been found new homes.
Without the intervention of the RSPCA, it was the vet’s conclusion that many of the horses would have died as a result of malnutrition and parasite infection.
The costs involved – including stabling costs of all the horses seized – amounted to £128,500. Rose, now living on benefits at Starling Close in Farndon, Cheshire, was ordered to make a contribution of £250.
Rose admitted six horse cruelty charges relating to all 69 horses, failing to ensure their needs were met, that they had a nutritious diet, and had proper veterinary care. She is now considering bankruptcy.
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Post by pattendown on Sept 3, 2009 16:40:15 GMT
if she knew she couldnt have looked after them why not sellsome and get a managable number and saying she couldnt sell them because of an web site is rubbish there a plenty of sale sites at moderate cost ,how come she didnt get prison
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Post by brindlerainbow on Sept 3, 2009 17:27:54 GMT
lock the bugger up, starve her and throw away the key.Evil witch
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Post by Cherrytop & Spicery Stud on Sept 3, 2009 17:37:31 GMT
Sadly one of our homebreds was mixed up in this. She I HOPE was one of the lucky ones that excapted with out to much dammage. All I hope is that she will now end up with a young child that will love her to bits.
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Post by talponciau on Sept 3, 2009 17:45:43 GMT
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Post by traddy on Sept 3, 2009 17:55:32 GMT
omg,that poor poor pony that is horrendous  that just made me burst into tears and want go and hug my lot she has practically got away with murder  how could anybody ignore those poor ponies,what a joke the legal system can be look at recent cases  makes me so so angry at least they,re safe now! |
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Post by dinkydartmoor on Sept 3, 2009 18:02:39 GMT
How utterly disturbing, what a vile individual, I'm sorry but there is no excuse anyone could come up with to allow animals to get into this state |
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Post by gniwxaw on Sept 3, 2009 18:03:12 GMT
just seen it on granada reports. absolutely discusting. lock her up and throw away the key, the sick cow!!
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Post by solitaire on Sept 3, 2009 18:12:01 GMT
How disgusting I saw a few of the ponies Helen had for a while and they were fabulous ponies including the pony they bought from Helen. I hope they never ever get any other ponies it should have been for life not 10 years.
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Post by haylage on Sept 3, 2009 19:04:01 GMT
bit*h
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Post by bowditchblobs on Sept 3, 2009 19:51:28 GMT
Dont they get pathetic sentaceses, whats ten years and community service, bloody joke.
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Post by tangerine on Sept 3, 2009 19:55:28 GMT
I am speechless, i feel so useless not being able to do anything. Those dear sweet faces on those lovely ponies, i cannot understand how all involved can sleep in their beds at night.
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Post by Artistic on Sept 3, 2009 20:18:54 GMT
Does anyone know Dawn Rose?
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Post by talponciau on Sept 3, 2009 20:21:43 GMT
Full marks to the RSPCA and their vet on persevering with Misty when she was obviously severely malnourished and on the verge of death they could well have put her down and out of her misery she looks happy and seems to be coming on in leaps and bounds and the other ponies .
What puzzles me though is why she bought so many ponies for her daughter who was just starting a stud with no apparent knowledge of caring /foaling /covering etc and why could she not see that they were suffering and not ask for help ? She apparently gave a lot of money(thousands) for some of the ponies so why not look after them .
I hope people will see this case and ask for help before things get beyond help ,there are people who will help in some way.
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Post by drenrowstud on Sept 3, 2009 20:33:56 GMT
she bought a pony of us a lovely mare 3/4 sister to blakhill picalo she paid £850 for her she seamed very genuine when they came i was heart broken when i found out what was going on , we even tried to get a tame horse welfare officer to remove the pony , many offered to buy back the ponies they sold them but they wouldnt sell sell them , we even offered the rspca to rehome the mare and the subsequent foal by our stallion but they wouldnt give us any info at all , they should have been locked up , i hope i never see the woman ever again i wont be responsible for my actions if i do
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Post by frozzy on Sept 3, 2009 22:33:21 GMT
The sentence as not severe enough. She will learn nothing from it. I would stick her in a cupboard fortnight without food or comfort and see how she likes it. Evil witch.
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Post by amumwithapony on Sept 4, 2009 6:27:18 GMT
this is horrendous, for various reasons i knew bits and pieces about this case, but never in a million years expected to see the ponies as bad as that. I personally knew 2 of the ponies that were with Dawn Rose, and am devastated that they were exposed to such a vile example of humanity. Regardless of how much money she had or didnt have, how she could watch those ponies and horse starve to death is beyond me, both the ponies i knew lived on fresh air, being your typical welsh ponies and at there old home were a laminitis risk, not starvation cases, and as usual the sentance she was given was a joke.
I also wonder about the RSPCA, why, when they and IPLH were apparnantly involved with them for over a year, was it such a shock when they took of Mist's rug? if they were there and had already given improvement orders was it such a shock for them? the ponies should have been removed a long time before they got to that state, it was blatently obvious that no 2 people can realistically care for 69 ponies, with the limited land and knowledge that they had. Whilst i appreciate that Dawn was very convincing at the start of her buying spree, i know of people who had become concerned about what was going on a long time before the ponies were taken, and refused to sell her any more ponies, in some cases even returning deposits, or forgoing months of livery money as they refused to drop ponies off. It makes me wonder how she managed to purchase so many ponies in the first place, and maybe its time now, after so many high profile cases, that some of the societies step in with some sort of monitering programme. I know people dont like the idea of microchips, but maybe, just maybe, this could be the start of more strident controls on the ownership of horses. if this helps stop one more big case like this then im all for it. 69 ponies needlessly suffering is 69 too many. RIP poor poor ponies. and i hope that the others that have been rehomed have happy family lives munching and cuddling decent human beings who will provide the care that they deserve.
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Post by sallyw on Sept 4, 2009 8:48:25 GMT
Yet anothr member of the WPCS commits cruelty. She was advertising ponies for sale in the 2088 journal and said she had ponies produced by Colin Tibby. In my experience ponies produced by Colin are looked after extremely well BUT if she was in such debt how did she afford this? Any producer has to make a realisitic charge and this person apparently had debt problems and couldn't care for some of the ponies why spend money on professional production? The other thing that bothers me is that why it when welfare orgnaisations know about someone they dont act more quickly. I know they will say the animals have to be almost dead before they can seize them but surely they can do SOMETHING before then? I have a pony here which was a rescue seizure and she now has a lovely life but sometimes she gazes into the far disatance and you wonder if she is remembering the horrendous tretament she had from a person who lived in a 4 million pound house and nearly starved her to death. People should get their priorities right!
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Post by Cherrytop & Spicery Stud on Sept 4, 2009 9:36:36 GMT
Messydesk, the 9 ponies I was producing for her went back before all kicked off up there and after her bouncing £2000 cheque on me. (in these 9 ponies was a homebred Cherrytop Foxy Lady and Owen) (sadly I could not keep them any longer.
I think you might find colin ended up not being paid and kept several as long as he could. I also think the chestnut mare Mist is lacy Mist (so one on colins Breeding0
There is nothing now to stop her daughter setting up new somewhere elce.
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Post by amumwithapony on Sept 4, 2009 9:38:23 GMT
its about time the socities got involved with some sort of monitering system with anyone who is registered with them, who breeds or is registered as having a certain number of ponies. there are enough ponies out there getting shipped from sale to sale, to end up with the meat man as it is, and still people continue to breed. why? if you cant offer the foal a home for life and need to reduce numbers every year just to manage, then stop breeding. colt foals seem to be 10 a penny this year in particular, and in particular, welsh ponies. why do people contiue to cover there mares year in year out? rescue centres are bursting at the seems, and i think part of the problem with the Dawn Rose case was that there was just no where to put the ponies, if they had removed them sooner. Im not defending the rspca, but after the Jamie gray case and the dove stud, i would have thought that places were already pretty full. its time (imo) that we were stricter with who can and cant breed. Maybe some sort of licensing system for brrod mares, as well as stallions would stop any old tom, willy or harry putting any old mare in foal. a lot of people would rather put a mare in foal if it goes lame, cos then its got a job! Why? if its lame and cant work, unless its an injury, they could just be breeding another pony that has no working life ahead of it.
We're supposed to be a nation of animal lovers. its time we all took some of the responsibilty for every animal in the county, and started demanding tighter rules and regulations on keeping animals.I for one, welcome the microchipping and proposed horse tax. at least (tho not without its flaws) its a step in the right direction, and if the new enforcements stop just 1 colt foal being bred, being weened, shipped from sale to sale for 3 months, before ending up with the meat man then im all for it. any breeder with any ounce of integrity and compassion would welcome anyone to view any of there ponies at any time, and those that dont obviously have something to hide. its time for things to change.
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Post by brindlerainbow on Sept 4, 2009 11:19:30 GMT
I think alot of breeders need to question why they want to put their mares in foal before they do it!!! There are so many ponies/horses that are bred with no thought as to their future. They are then packed off to a market or advertised for a couple of hundred pounds in the local paper or on websites and its often the clueless and the cruel that buy these ponies because they are cheap and then they end up as welfare cases. Look on alot of stud web sites or on forums and you will see breeders saying how many mares they have due to foal next year ( often in double figures ) and that this years foals need to be sold to make way for next years foals etc etc. We all quite rightly are horrified by puppy farms but alot of breeders are running the equine equivalent..... breeding from poor quality mares and stallions ( often home bred ) that have temperament,movement,conformation faults. Breeders unless you can secure the future of your foals then dont breed because you are just adding to an already flooded market. With the autumn sales coming up for several breeds im sure lots of the ponies will be bought by people who dont have the know how,the facilities or the finances to keep a pony but they are able to buy them because they are cheap cast offs from studs. Theres a good chance that alot of these ponies will winter out with insufficient hay,food,shelter,attention,unwormed,feet untrimmed. I bet in 6 months or so someone will start a thread about some neglected,starving,uncared for ponies that they have seen in a field and we will all reply.....poor ponies,evil owners,useless RSPCA...................er what about the breeder who's only reason for breeding was financial gain!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by amumwithapony on Sept 4, 2009 11:35:33 GMT
well said brindlebrow, as a newbie on here, i was trying to say the same as you without offending too many people. i was today also thinking about puppy farms and also transporting horses for slaughter, which were both very hot topics a few years ago. maybe its time now for similar campaigns to be launched for pony/horse breeders. Im sure that the reputable studs and 'hobby' breeders out there would have no problem with any sort of inspection, and maybe even some sort of stricter licensing laws, because its no good us stopping horses being transported to the continent for us to start treatiing ponies like that here. theres nothing to stop any pony going through the sales time after time after time after time, and being shipped from one end of the country to another to do so, not too different to the scenes i was familiar with in my horse and pony mag when i was a teenager. dawn rose should never have been allowed all those ponies in the first place without some sort of regulations being in place to protect the welfare of the animals involved, likewise the dove ponies and Jamie Grays animals. any farm as far as i am aware has to moniter the movement of any animal they have from birth to the table, so why not something similar with horses and ponies, so then at least somebody somewhere has a record of how many ponies somebody owns, and if that number gets above so many, then they need to be regualated and inspected, mares should be licensed the same as stallions if you want to breed from them, and then at least theres a chance that some mares will be recognised as being inferior to breed from. If thats not possible, then the breed socities ought to have there own licensing to be able to compete mares as brood mares, then if you are buying a foal from a recognised brood mare thats passed some sort of vetting or examination by a qualified person you know there is less of a chance of that mare having some sort of inherited defect.
i dont know the perfect answer, im not sure on exists,but i am pretty sure something more needs to be done to reduce the number of unwanted foals each year. at least then there will be less ponies around that can potentially fall victim to people like dawn rose.
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Post by ladybird on Sept 4, 2009 11:49:22 GMT
ditto ditto ditto and ditto..........please please lets put an end to this breeding for the sake of it, there cannot possibly be enough homes in the future for all these animals, especially the colts, lets tighten up the laws to make breeding a serious business and yes, an expensive business, which will hopefully stop indescriminate breeding of our equine friends.
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Post by ladybird on Sept 4, 2009 11:53:59 GMT
OMG i have just watched the above video, I really dont think i have ever seen any horse or pony as bad as these little sweethearts, how many more are there out there like this i wonder, i could honestly weep now.
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Post by frozzy on Sept 4, 2009 12:29:24 GMT
I think you will find that Colin whilst producing ponies for her was another whose bills were not paid. Just another one of her delusions of being a top class stud. This woman is mentally ill. She should be committed. Had she kept 69 humans in conditions like this she would have been jailed for life.
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Post by diane on Sept 4, 2009 12:50:28 GMT
Just another point..DR was not buying cheap ponies from indiscriminate breeders..I think it was only 2 years ago that she spent a lot of money on Polaris ponies at Fayre Oaks and I agree..The Countess of Dysart would be turning in her grave if she knew where some of her beloved ponies ended up.
Also there were Cobs in this mess too and they were not seperated from the Mountain Ponies so it is not hard to guess which were bottom of the pecking order.
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Post by flashfargo on Sept 4, 2009 13:56:47 GMT
This is disgusting!! I am now going to go and give my lot big hugs! Its sad to know that things like this will be still going on  |
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Post by katherine on Sept 4, 2009 14:43:04 GMT
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Post by amumwithapony on Sept 4, 2009 14:45:05 GMT
Just another point..DR was not buying cheap ponies from indiscriminate breeders..I think it was only 2 years ago that she spent a lot of money on Polaris ponies at Fayre Oaks and I agree..The Countess of Dysart would be turning in her grave if she knew where some of her beloved ponies ended up. Also there were Cobs in this mess too and they were not seperated from the Mountain Ponies so it is not hard to guess which were bottom of the pecking order. thats a good point diane, these ponies werent cheap to buy, she spent £300,00 in cash and who knows how much finance in the couple of years she was around. now obviously she paid a lot of money (and in some cases rightly so) for these ponies so you think she'd value them a little bit more than leaving them to starve in there own squalor. most of the people that she bought ponies from are reputable, honest breeders, and as i said before, some of them refused to send her any more ponies once they realised that something was wrong. im not particularly involved in the WPCS scene but still heard plenty of rumours before the ponies were removed. But still she kept getting more and more ponies. obviously she duped a lot of people, but surely people should take some responsiblity for the fact that a delusional middle aged woman and a teenaged girl ended with 69 ponies? she had at least 30 on her website and most were breeding stock, so how they were going to manage and have the knowledge to deal with mares in foal, manage the stallions etc is beyond me. i see so many ads these days stating that 5* home more important than price, was this a case that people saw a 5* price and didnt pay enough attention to what kind of home they were going to? im not for one minute suggesting that anyone would knowingly let any animal go to that hell hole if they knew what was going on, but as i said it doesnt take much logic to figure out that after 10-15 ponies any 2 people would struggle to manage. and no laws that we have at the moment could or would stop someone else doing exactly the same again, only they could do it a lot cheaper than dawn rose did and just attend half a dozen sales. surely something should be done before another case hits the headlines again. |
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Post by chardonnay on Sept 4, 2009 15:11:36 GMT
a year every pony she kept in miserable conditions, starving. yes that sounds good, 69 years in jail, i bet those ponies felt like they were serving more than a life sentence!!!
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