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Post by wornthetshirt on Oct 5, 2009 19:04:26 GMT
There used to be a 14.2.hh limit on Welsh Cobs Section "D". It was removed by the WPCS.
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Post by hp on Oct 5, 2009 19:29:07 GMT
The height limit on Welsh cobs has never been from the WPCS limit. It was imposed by the NPS for the Olympia classes and removed at the WPCS request as it has NEVER been in the welsh D breed standard
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Post by jilly on Oct 5, 2009 20:11:48 GMT
yes there was a height of 14.2 0n sec d s it was removed in 1995. the way i understand the change from an a to b is that if it is an a put to a b it can be either an a or a b and if it is registered at birth as an a and then grows too big it can then become a b. dont shoot me down if i am wrong it is just my interpretation of what i have been told.
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Post by cassie30 on Oct 5, 2009 20:28:24 GMT
Yes Jilly that is right with the A/B thing! i just dont think its right! An A should be an A and so on!unless its got A and B in its parentage, but i know of one a very successful pony who has recently measured out and believe it has A as its dam and A as its sire.
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Post by halfpass on Oct 5, 2009 21:08:02 GMT
I think you have that wrong jilly, if you cross A X B will always =B, it will allways go to the higher height animal, the only time that it can change is if you have a small D, that can be re-registered as a C or a over height C can be moved up to D
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Post by cassie30 on Oct 5, 2009 21:24:07 GMT
But you're right it can be re-registered as a B. I know 2 that have been done, very recently!
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Post by sarahp on Oct 5, 2009 21:24:38 GMT
There was in fact a height limit for Ds in the breed standard - for about 7 years only at the very beginnings of the stud book - and it was for 15.2hh! The one of 14.2 imposed for the Olympia competition only has been responsible for a huge misapprehension in many quarters that it applied to the whole breed but this is not the case.
Before the stud book with the section definitions, which have been altered over the years anyway, there was just a height continuum of Welsh ponies which would encompass today's A, C and D which of course share many bloodlines, they are not separate breeds so crossing different sections is not like crossing say an Exmoor with a NF as they are members of the same genetic population. Bs always slightly different as the section was defined later to accommodate those with TB or Eastern blood. The breed description of Cs and Ds is the same, they are only divided by height, whereas those for A and B are different, hence the ability to up and down grade Cs and Ds, but those with B blood cannot be moved to Sec A. Info' from Dr Wynne's books, by the way.
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Post by rover on Oct 5, 2009 21:30:04 GMT
lol! WOW ;D
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Post by halfpass on Oct 5, 2009 21:41:09 GMT
Not sure sarahp if a B x C =C is still allowed, it used to be, Fourwinds Flyer was this cross but I think that this has been stopped as there is a bigger gene pool of C's
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Post by sarahp on Oct 6, 2009 8:29:42 GMT
I think it was disallowed for a bit but there was so much outcry it was re-allowed. Must admit I'd rather it was disallowed, which probably looks hypocritical to anyone going through my stud history as my first Cob, a C, was B x D! Albeit a solid B with bone and little if any non-Welsh blood, but she forms part of my opinion as her daughter, ie 1/4 B had lots of foals for me and the odd one was too small and/or light for what it should have been. I find breeding fascinating!
Perhaps we should stop discussing Welsh, it's supposed to be a Connie height thread!
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Post by halfpass on Oct 6, 2009 8:50:04 GMT
Whoops sorry folks best get back on topic before i get told off, but I do find this very intresting.
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Post by Brooker on Oct 9, 2009 16:58:22 GMT
If you buy a 6 year old Connie with a annual height certificate, and after knocking the price down by £3500, I dont think you should moan if the pony goes overheight. A 6 years old pony with a Annual certificate of 148cm could quite possible go over height, anyone with commonsense would know this and would surely have the horse, either measured when vetting or take their own stick. Crying woolf after the incident is very stupid.
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Post by forester on Oct 9, 2009 17:37:55 GMT
my connie had an annual at 9 of 148cms went for his life height 8 months later and was 149.3cm(then being 10) so they can carry on growing
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