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Post by cassie30 on Sept 28, 2009 10:31:23 GMT
Agreed!
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Post by savnlucy on Sept 28, 2009 12:26:24 GMT
Thing is though, i do prefer my reds and when entered into a class at top level, having paid 5o pounds for one class, to be dumped under a load of fatties who cant breathe is a bloody insult! Get real judges, how many laminitic ponies do we see on the hills? people are ruining them and sorry, but when they sit there whining because their precious pony has been pts due to lami it makes me sick! precious? think about that before you feed them so much they are bursting at the seams! that isnt aimed at me i hope ! i did not pump food into my pony to make him get laminitus. he had already had it when i got him and he was prone to it
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Post by cassie30 on Sept 28, 2009 12:32:22 GMT
No not aimed at you, the one's before you then that allowed him to get it, once they are prone thats it im afraid, no reversing it is there, can only do your best by them to make them comfy!
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Post by savnlucy on Sept 28, 2009 12:32:46 GMT
Being honest, this obesity crisis the country is facing has spread through to most animals, judges need to ticking off if they put them up the top of the line, then if they persist, should be kicked off. Sorry, but all the time the fatty's are winning there will be thousands of crippled ponies in this country and i am sick of it! Would these people intentionally fatten their children up? then make them run around out of breath? who knows! Laminitus is so common these days, but why? because people sometimes love their ponies "too much"! and yes, im fully aware of the different forms of lami, stress lami etc etc, but, most forms of lami are created by the owner initially! Sorry but it is true, every one is so careful once the poor pony has got it, what about before it gets it? This is not aimed at everyone with a lami pony/horse, just those who created it allowing the poor thing to get in that state in the first place through over feeding and not taking care. listen here............. do not upset my 13 yr old daughter again by surgesting she over fed her pony........ he was prone to lami when we got him and if you knew anything about lami ul know its not always caused by being fat........ they get it when stressed, trauma and other reasons so keep your gob shut and do not tell my daughter she fed her lovely pony till he burst because that was not the case ok............ he had cushings which brought on a big bought of lami so before you spout you gob off in future get your facts right not all lami cases are caused by overweight ponies.............................
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Post by Guestless on Sept 28, 2009 13:31:25 GMT
Your last post has obviously crossed with cassie's. I don't read her post as being accusatory against anyone in particular and she has made some valid points. You are also correct that laminitis isn't always caused by over-feeding - in those cases it is a sad state of affairs, but that doesn't mean we should make life easy for those who carry on fattening their ponies up without a care for their welfare. If more people thought about what all that feed could do to their ponies, then we would only have the stress/trauma-related laminitis cases to worry about. Again, that is NOT aimed at anyone in particular - it is a sweeping generalisation which I usually avoid, but I think more people need to speak up about what over feeding does to some beautifully bred ponies.
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Post by cassie30 on Sept 28, 2009 13:37:35 GMT
Im sorry, i did say that it wasn't aimed at you, i also said in a previous post that i understand not all lami is caused by over feeding, i know about stress lami etc!
In fact their was a pony stabled on my own yard with stress lami not so long ago, i know a hell of alot about it, so please read the whole of this thread!
Thank you Guestless, i did not aim it at anyone, only in general to those who do choose to have them overweight and ruin good ponies!
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Post by cassie30 on Sept 28, 2009 13:38:45 GMT
Infact if you bothered to read the post you quoted me on you will see i know about other forms of lami! Thanks!
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Post by cheryl on Sept 28, 2009 13:57:25 GMT
I dont think she did aim that at you, thats how i read it.
My 3 year old has a fat belly but is just like a normal 3 year old well i like to think so. People may say she is underweight for the show ring, but i dont care. I dont want her for an inhand pony i take her out so she gets used to being out, so whenshe comes out ridden she doesnt blow her brains.
yes it is nice to get a few reds now and again, and when i do take her somewhere and she does well it makes me feel great, that judges tell me she looks just right, but yt she still looks small compared to some other 3 year old D fillies. but i like her that way. She is on a diet anyway as she is too fat and i dont want her getting lami. And she only has a fat belly.
I hate going out seeing these yearlings/ 2 and 3 year olds all looking twice their age. yes they may look nice now, but in a few years they will be knackerd.
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Post by jigorrie on Sept 28, 2009 15:01:38 GMT
cant stand overweight animals, struggling to keep the weight off my lad at the moment and he is 6, i remember last yr i was spitting feathers at a show where a very overweight pony took champ, the judge had said to them it better loose weight nxt time i judge it else i wont put it here again????y the hell put it there in the first place???
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Post by brt on Sept 28, 2009 15:52:39 GMT
It's the overfeeding and not allowing them to be yearlings that gets me, why feed up a baby and keep it locked up until show day, bring it out, whinge it didn't perform and lock it up again?
I know plenty that do it and IMO thats when it gets dangerous on showgrounds, over fed babies with their brains blown.
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Post by cassie30 on Sept 28, 2009 16:31:49 GMT
Savnlucy i apologise if you are upset, it is never nice when a pony has to be pts, no matter what the reason for it is, my comment was in no way aimed at you or anyone inparticular, i have lost ponies in the past and i know how painful it is. I also know about cushings and that lami is sometimes related to that too.
I do, as it appears other's do, get extremely upset by the "man made" form of lami and i get quite sick of seeing it as it is unnecessary. I love my ponies as much as everyone else, but i am tough on them for their sake, if i never win a red ribbon again, so be it, i will sleep at night knowing i never crippled my ponies for a cheap rosette or any qualification. I could quite easily think like others nearby to my yard and over feed them, take for example this comment " but they love being out on the nice green grass, they look so happy", it was made by a pony owner 200yards from my stables, guess what? pony now has lami ! yes they look happy, for a few months, til they are in pain and stuck inside for the majority of their lives until the lami becomes too much and the vet has to come one last time. It saddens me deeply, especially because there is no need for probably 70% of cases. Maybe more, who knows.
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Post by crimson on Sept 29, 2009 8:38:36 GMT
It's the overfeeding and not allowing them to be yearlings that gets me, why feed up a baby and keep it locked up until show day, bring it out, whinge it didn't perform and lock it up again? I know plenty that do it and IMO thats when it gets dangerous on showgrounds, over fed babies with their brains blown. Yes I agree. Early this year when we were about to start turning out in the fields again on our yard (we dont have full time turn out over winter), the number of people who were horrified that I would be turning my yearling filly out with other ponies was unreal! I was told so many times that I wouldn't be able to show her if I turned her out! Errrrrrrrrrrrr, no! If she didn't go out I wouldn't be able to show her because she would be off her head! After a very light season and no shows since July I am now planning to take her to a couple of youngstock shows in November. As I type this, she is, *Shock horror* turned out in the field!!!!!!!!
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Post by cassie30 on Sept 29, 2009 8:48:31 GMT
oh my god shock horror! lol
All our's are turned out and do well and any baby should be turned out anyway.
it's like telling a very young child they are not allowed to play! Take away their child hood and set yourself up for having a sour teen! Its just the same!
Babies need baby friends or just slightly older friends to play with, ever ridden a 5 or 6 yr old who has had no baby play time?
Shame on you Crimson for allowing your baby to be a baby! lol
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Post by brt on Sept 29, 2009 9:48:30 GMT
All my babies go out with my 10yr old exracer, he didn't have a "childhood" and teaches them all field politics, when to play and when to leave him alone!
It's given them all very level heads, My 2yr old sec D is extremely sane but still knows to perform in the ring. he lives out and only comes in the day before for a much needed bath!!!
Edited to say, My Section A is overweight, she is out with a grazing muzzle 6 hrs a day, no hard feed and still what i would consider fat! I nearly didn't show her on sunday as i was embarrassed that people would think i feed her up for shows. I did go and she wasn't as big as some of the others!!
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Post by cassie30 on Sept 29, 2009 10:07:03 GMT
It does give them level heads, our youngsters play together with an older horse in the field to give them a ticking off if necessary! It works! To me ponies only truly "perform" when happy, if not happy, they are not performing, they are playing up, or is that what is expected of us?
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Post by jenwalsh on Sept 29, 2009 10:44:29 GMT
My new foal that is arriving in the next couple of weeks will be going straight out in the field to have play time, during the winter he will be out from 5.30am till 5.30pm every day with 8 or 9 other geldings, he also has a couple of shows to go to at the end of october/beginning of november, hopefully he will do well but i am very concious of him getting overweight next summer as we have very good grass but i also dont want to starve him either although he will not be getting hard feed through the summer.
I find the whole thing very confusing as to what is right and what is wrong when i got my other horse as a weanling 15 years ago we didnt have to think about any of this he was put in the field and that was it, he was fed normal feed (chaff, beet and nuts) and given a few leaf of hay at night. But i want to show this new one a bit next year but not at the expense of ruining his ridden career.
what i must say though is that even though i want to do a lot of showing with this boy over the coming years he will be brought up and treated as a horse and not a trophy locked up all the time. What will be will be
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Post by cassie30 on Sept 29, 2009 10:54:28 GMT
Lovely attitude and good luck, i would say do the same with your new one even if showing, same feed etc, wont do any harm, if he needs a bit of something extra a month or so before showing to add some shine go for it but at that age i think you'll do ok with what you did for last horse?
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Post by nici on Sept 29, 2009 11:42:21 GMT
While being ever vigilant about the dangers of laminitis, we also need to remember that youngsters NEED grass to help them grow. My two youngest Shetlands are currently out on long grass, not particularly rich (never been fertilised and used to be used as a car park in years gone by!) but plenty of it. They've both grown since being there, but it's been good growth not bad - genuine maturing / expanding of the ribcages rather than piling on the fat. I can still feel their ribs without having to press! They don't have any supplementary feed at all - just good old Dr Green.
In contrast, my two older and smaller Shetlands are on grass that is so short and restricted that I'm having to feed them supplementary haylage and small bucket feeds (chop, speedibeet and vits/mins supplement). If they were out with the boys, they'd be enormous.
You have to treat every pony individually. I'm so glad that I now rent my own field, and I can manage my ponies according to their needs, rather than having to fit in with what's available on a big yard.
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Post by cassie30 on Sept 29, 2009 11:56:41 GMT
Yes agreed Nici, Dr green is great for youngstock and the golden oldies.
i too have my own place where i am boss, we have 8 acres of grass that anything staying out can go on, 3 acres of rubbish old grass for those requiring little, and a field we can only really take hay off as is too good! Also have 5 acres that is really only used in the worst of winter then if anything has dropped weight it can go in there!
also have a small paddock which we call the garden and is used for pre show evenings so we can catch the little so and so's on show mornings!
Isn't it great having your own place? And hopefully planning will be approved for the old stone stables to be turned back to stables real soon! fingers crossed, very strange council !
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Post by shadylady on Sept 29, 2009 11:57:54 GMT
I've not overfed my yearling he just gets Hifi, course mix & Calm and Condition. He looks well off it but definately NOT overweight. I took him to a youngstock show last winter and all the ones in the ring were so pumped up they looked like 3yo so i took him home and left him. Since then he has had a 2 1st, a 2nd and a championship and not pumped up with food. Its up to judges to look past the condition and to see how they are put together not fat!!!!
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Post by Harley NLI on Sept 29, 2009 12:18:07 GMT
having just bought my yearling and im very cautious of over feeding him. he is on stud cubes, literally a small handfull of chaff and the same of speedi beat. although the trouble ive had getting stud cubes is unbelievable ..... ive always been looked at funny for not giving him mix what ive been told to feed him is beyond my comprehension .... once on the suggestions blew my cobs brain so what would it do to a yearling he is out for 12hrs a day and is in at night with haylage and a small feed
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Post by cheryl on Sept 29, 2009 17:50:12 GMT
My filly lives out all her life from when she was born to when she was 2. Then she came in of a night, not all the time but occasionally. went back out all winter as a 2 year old came in in february this year, in over night. Has been out 24/7 over summer, and will still go out in winter just will be in of a night.
i am lucky i have never had a bad experience with lami only ever a very mild form. But i do look out for it, especially with my filly. As she is very fat, i dont know why as she gets nothing, she lives off fresh air.
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Post by Fatso on Sept 30, 2009 8:26:08 GMT
Well poniesrus maybe you should try your fit not fat motto on yourself. As for you saying your ponies would have won if they had been fatter, think you need to get off cloud cuckoo land. What planet are you on or can i try some of what you take.
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Post by cassie30 on Sept 30, 2009 8:38:39 GMT
Fatso that is not very nice, can i ask is your body perfect?
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Post by poniesrus on Sept 30, 2009 9:15:29 GMT
LOL, I'd not worry Cassie .... you get these people don't you !! Tends to come down to jealousy at the end of the day.
Water off a ducks back to me - I'm afraid I've always been a larger person, always admitted it, never tried to be a stick insect, so what - I'm happy, that's all that matters !
As for my ponies, ach, again, let them comment however they choose LOL, tis only because they know I'm right !!!
The thing they seem to overlook is that we don't go all out to TRY and win these classes, we just enjoy going and taking part, the kids enjoy pampering their ponies and doing their shows ............... but who knows what we could achieve if we really went all out to win !!
The trouble is, no matter what they say, it obviously shows that I've hit a nerve with something I've said about OVERWEIGHT YEARLINGS !! People tend to go all defensive when something truthful is said that they don't like.
But, hey ho, stick and stones etc ... keep the insults coming if it makes you feel better !!
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Post by cassie30 on Sept 30, 2009 9:23:52 GMT
Good on you, none of us are perfect after all, but yes you seem to have hit a nerve in someone! Always some ar*ewipe who has to get personal and nasty.
Your ponies all look pretty happy to me! lol enjoy what you do xx
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Post by poniesrus on Sept 30, 2009 9:38:08 GMT
Always some ar*ewipe who has to get personal and nasty. Precisely Cassie ..... but if it floats their boat then let them carry on I say LOL. Afterall, whilst they are trying to pick bone with me, it means some other poor sod isn't being attacked !
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Post by cassie30 on Sept 30, 2009 9:58:44 GMT
Too right! they must be very sad and lonely to make comments like that, so just smile and laugh as you are obviously happy xx
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Post by Tandy on Sept 30, 2009 10:15:21 GMT
Poniesrus, and the thing is even though she has came on as a guest we all have a very good idea who it is that posted it.
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Post by poniesrus on Sept 30, 2009 10:19:18 GMT
Poniesrus, and the thing is even though she has came on as a guest we all have a very good idea who it is that posted it. LOL, don't we just LOL !!
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