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Post by overweightyearlings on Sept 24, 2009 15:10:41 GMT
There is a young women who is local to where I am based who has a couple of welsh yearlings. They are so unbelievably overweight and are wearing shoes. I would love to know what the bloody hell they are fed! They are panting for breath after the trot around and they are shown every weekend. Poor bloody beggers. I feel strongly about this issue as I believe that having a young animal that hugely overweight is neglect and is just as bad as starving. They will never have a ridden career because there legs will be nackered before they are old enough to be rode! I myself have a 4 year old welsh C, who is big but is healthy, i am all for big M&Ms but surely there health comes before a red rossette??
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Post by poniesrus on Sept 24, 2009 15:21:43 GMT
Have seen slightly less overweight yearlings this year than in previous years - think the message is getting through finally - but still seen some that had 'fat pads' on their backs by the June-time and were obviously being fed far to much hard feed.
Fit not fat is my moto !!
If judges don't like my ponies because they don't resemble roly-poly's as yearlings, then that is their perogative and I will respect their decision ..... but it won't make me change the way I bring them up and it won't make me shove bucket fulls of grub in to them that they don't need.
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Post by native1234 on Sept 24, 2009 15:29:13 GMT
I agree overweight yearlings with shoes on is horrible its not fair on the pony.overweight is bad enough but please putting shoes on them aswel is terrible i cant believe that is allowed!i mean why put shoes on them as yearlings to mess there movement up for when they are older thats without even the pony nocking its self Fair enough if you show your pony you show it in show condition and i should think the shoes are to make it move thats fair enough but not on a yearling!
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Post by guest0w on Sept 24, 2009 15:32:06 GMT
exactly thank you!
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Post by Ag on Sept 24, 2009 15:41:40 GMT
I agree, there are too many overly-competitive people on the showing circuits these days. At such a young age, is it not about giving these yearlings an oppurtunity to look around shows, taking in the tannoy's and amounts of people? Yes, bathing and making your yearling look nice is a deffinite yes, but they take these things too far. I know a lady who has done the same thing, 3 of her youngstock were un-rideable after there legs could no longer take the weight of their body.
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Post by overweightyearlings on Sept 24, 2009 19:39:12 GMT
yes they are in too much of a rush to win.
thats the problem!
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Post by bowditchblobs on Sept 24, 2009 19:46:34 GMT
Same old, same old and idiots like me go and buy them as riding ponies at four and their joints are ******!!!! My shp was far too fat as a youngster as a result her hocks are abit debatable to say the least, i only show her localy due to the swelling on them.
I am constantley down the line with all my yearlings and i dont care, i show them afew times for an outing, the rosettes will come later in life- i hope!!!
I took my shetland yearling to equifest this year, he looked like a foal next to the others, so it is not just sp types!!!! The breeder i got my shp has ruined her full sister, it's joints are shot to pieces as a three year old. Awful.
If judges would stop putting them up top peopkle like him wouldnt over feed- and yes she has won at county level this year, fat as a bloody pig!!!!
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Post by coffeepot on Sept 24, 2009 19:53:24 GMT
judges still need to reward those brave enough to put out FIT yearlings though.
I have a beautiful filly that has done well this year, but ive been told more than once that she "needs more topline." or "needs weight". Honestly if you saw her you would not believe those comments. But there were times when she was comfortably the smallest in the class, properly fed, turned out daily and fit as a flea, yet dwarfed by animals of a lesser quality that are stuffed and shackled to the stable to look like 3 YO.
Its not just yearlings either. There are very few Welsh Classes where the 2YO fillies have any growing left to do. Whats that all about, they cant all be genetically mature "good doers who live on fresh air"
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Post by fmcvet on Sept 24, 2009 20:22:34 GMT
Usually their hocks and sometimes their action give you enough cause to not put them at the top end of the line, just as much as, and as a result of, the excessive condition they are carrying.
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Post by crimson on Sept 24, 2009 20:32:23 GMT
I was subjected to what I thought was good judging early on in the season. I took my, IMHO, quality yearling filly to a large show. When I saw my competitiors I thought we didn't stand a chance, they all looked so much older and mature, despite my filly being a february foal, so they can't have been older really. Anyway, we only went and won the class! I was thrilled! I was told that one of the reasons she won was because she actually looked like a yearling..............
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Post by welshcob012 on Sept 24, 2009 23:31:11 GMT
overweightyearlings guest, who are u please and wer are u based?!
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Post by pista on Sept 25, 2009 0:22:15 GMT
It's not just the welshies that have this problem! take a look at the highland pony youngstock out there most of the youngsters are gross! and will never see the show ring as mature adults. If they don't go over height, they've broken down through they're already bad conformation, with the excess weight on top exaggerating the problem. The fit not fat message has not got through to HPS judges!
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Post by Milliesmum on Sept 25, 2009 6:43:31 GMT
overweightyearlings guest, who are u please and wer are u based?! You don't have to answer that, unless you want to!
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Post by cassie30 on Sept 25, 2009 9:10:18 GMT
Overweight yearlings! overweight every age ponies, it is sick. Reading in the back of the NPS rulebook it states the condition scoring system will be used when judging, uhum! No it is not! We have seen obese ponies at the top of the line in these classes. They cant breathe and they cant move, come on fat fans sort it out, judges bottom of the line please and stop encouraging this cruelty!!
THESE YEARLINGS WILL SUFFER IN LATER LIFE!
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Post by savnlucy on Sept 25, 2009 17:51:15 GMT
I agree ! I have an 18 month old section b and he is dead leggy and coming into proportion his self .... i would rather leave him to mature naturally with the correct amount of nutrients..
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Post by cassie30 on Sept 25, 2009 18:00:47 GMT
i know someone who feeds muscle builder to yearlings, they look 3 years old, it will naf them up, but im no expert, obviously they are, so i'll just shut up and stop warning people ay?
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Post by savnlucy on Sept 25, 2009 18:18:04 GMT
I agree ! I have an 18 month old section b and he is dead leggy and coming into proportion his self .... i would rather leave him to mature naturally with the correct amount of nutrients.. i am sick to death of putting my little boy in the yearling classes and being faced with something that looks like a 3yo and always being placed at the bottom of the line... to be honest i think judges need to take more of a careful look to what just these people are doing to there yearlings .. at least my baby will be on the circuit as a 6yo doing HOYS qualifiers and not have knackered gut, legs , muscle damage, feet ect .......
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Post by cassie30 on Sept 25, 2009 18:21:07 GMT
Exactly!
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Post by FAT FIGHTER on Sept 26, 2009 0:35:12 GMT
we have also been bottom of the line to BIG FAT yearlings that look about 3 - its terrible. We have decided to let him mature naturaly so probly wont come out untill june next year ( luck i have others to show!). he has done well were the judge has placed him because he looks like a yearling! But something needs to be done, even my 3yo D colt looks small compared to some out there they all look like mature stallions. at least he will be out ridden next year!!!
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Post by nici on Sept 26, 2009 7:42:03 GMT
I'm so glad that I don't have to take inhand showing of youngstock seriously. I'm not trying to promote my stud, bloodlines etc, just prepare the babies I buy for the hustle and bustle of showgrounds, so it doesn't matter that my ponies are weedy compared to others in the ring.
Having said that, good old Dr Green has worked wonders on my 2yo standard Shetland this summer! He started the summer looking like a weedy yearling, but a few months on good grass have helped him mature nicely. He's only had the grass though (and it's rough old native pony grass, not rich dairy grass), no hard feed. I check him every day, and can still feel his ribs, so he's not overblown - just taken advantage of the grass to mature naturally.
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Post by cassie30 on Sept 26, 2009 8:01:36 GMT
Being honest, this obesity crisis the country is facing has spread through to most animals, judges need to ticking off if they put them up the top of the line, then if they persist, should be kicked off. Sorry, but all the time the fatty's are winning there will be thousands of crippled ponies in this country and i am sick of it!
Would these people intentionally fatten their children up? then make them run around out of breath? who knows!
Laminitus is so common these days, but why? because people sometimes love their ponies "too much"! and yes, im fully aware of the different forms of lami, stress lami etc etc, but, most forms of lami are created by the owner initially! Sorry but it is true, every one is so careful once the poor pony has got it, what about before it gets it?
This is not aimed at everyone with a lami pony/horse, just those who created it allowing the poor thing to get in that state in the first place through over feeding and not taking care.
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Post by savnlucy on Sept 27, 2009 15:05:25 GMT
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Post by poniesrus on Sept 28, 2009 9:21:10 GMT
The trouble is, as much as we all agree and say the judges need to place these fatties down the line they won't because, in the majority of cases, that is how they themselves produce their yearlings !!!
Yes, there are exceptions to that rule with judges who don't follow the 'fat is good' policy, but for each of the good judges, there will be 10 who like to see their yearlings waddling round a ring with fat pads on their backs looking, IMO, bloody gross !!!
Trouble is, as peeps have said, by the time some of these ponies get to 3 or 4, they are riddled with problems and you never hear of many of them with show results under saddle ... no, because half the time are riddled with lammi and not showable. The number of very 'footie' looking ponies I've watched in the ring that are obese is awful ... yet they win !!! It's almost as though some of these judges are TRYING to ruin the breeds !!!
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Post by cassie30 on Sept 28, 2009 9:24:42 GMT
Well i would rather be down the line in that case, the breeds are becoming ruined anyway! Over feeding, over breeding, too many rugs and locked up in stables sorry but it really gets to me! shown in a natural state my backside! how many mountain stallions would be carrying that much weight?
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Post by poniesrus on Sept 28, 2009 9:33:21 GMT
I completely agree with you Cassie - we're normally placed 4th/5th place and have often had judges say ''you would have been top had pony had more condition on it'' .... they get told I'm afraid ''pony is a yearling and condition comes with work, yearlings aren't in work, pony is in very good natural condition for it's age and will remain so, so we are happy with our placing as I prefer mine fit not fat'' !!!!
Judges might not like being told that, but I simply refuse to 'hot house' my yearlings for the sake of a red ribbon .... we like greens, pink and purples, we're happy with our ponies as long as they behave and come home with ponies and handlers safe and sound !!
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Post by duster on Sept 28, 2009 9:34:38 GMT
my yearling started the year looking like a neglect case, a colt with lice and worms and no appetite, direct from the moors. eventually he started eating youngstock feed. This Summer the grass never stopped growing, which is unusual. my yearling is now about right and has done well in the ring. BUT in one of the big finals, the Judge actually commented to me " he has a lovely well grown tail, but apart from that he looks every inch a yearling". I thought to myself 'what is she talking about??? he is a bluddy yearling!' However my 2 year old is too fat and he will now have to live off that fat this winter so hopefully he will not be too fat next Spring. Some breeds do literally live on fresh air and a whisp of grass or hay! The woman who has put shoes on a yearling should be reported.
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Post by Guestless on Sept 28, 2009 9:37:25 GMT
Interesting that shoes on yearlings has also been picked up on this thread. It's not something I do, but the majority of youngstock at our breed show do have shoes on and I don't think that is peculiar to Fells. I would hazard a guess that it is quite rare for the ponies at the top of the line up at our breed show NOT to have shoes on. I imagine most will have their shoes put on just for the show, but it does seem to be quite traditional to do so.
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Post by cassie30 on Sept 28, 2009 9:38:14 GMT
Thing is though, i do prefer my reds and when entered into a class at top level, having paid 5o pounds for one class, to be dumped under a load of fatties who cant breathe is a bloody insult! Get real judges, how many laminitic ponies do we see on the hills? people are ruining them and sorry, but when they sit there whining because their precious pony has been pts due to lami it makes me sick! precious? think about that before you feed them so much they are bursting at the seams!
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Post by cassie30 on Sept 28, 2009 9:41:21 GMT
Guestless it probably is rare, i dont think it is right tbh, but if only on for the show, well that's up to the individual i guess. Does it make them move better? I dont think so but no expert on the subject!
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Post by poniesrus on Sept 28, 2009 9:51:44 GMT
Thing is though, i do prefer my reds and when entered into a class at top level, having paid 5o pounds for one class, to be dumped under a load of fatties who cant breathe is a bloody insult! Don't get me wrong, I agree - it would be nice to get reds or blues more (we've had 3 blues this year), but I just won't comprimise my ponies for the sake of it and so so many judges want them bloody fat that, unless we give in, we're snookered !! So I stood back beginning of the year and thought ''well, I either show them at a weight I feel is fit and enjoy it, or I leave them at home and not bother''. One show at the start of the season I looked at my hunter yearling and thought ''no, not enough coverage on her to take her'', so I left her at home. Yet I was gobsmacked when I got to show to see the skinny, ribby shrimps that were in her class ... it actually made me realise that I'd got it wrong, for a 'hunter' yearling (destined to make over 17hh) she was in fact in super condition !!!! But I'd become so used to looking at fat M&M youngstock in the ring that it was starting to brainwash me !! How I look at it, if a judge says to me ''if it had more condition it would have won'', then to me I'm taking the best yearling home ... and the judge knows it !!! Tis not my fault if judge hasn't the balls to place how she would actually like because of fear of becoming unpopular with the 'usual winners' (which, as we all know, does happen A LOT) !!
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