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Post by saz88 on Sept 30, 2009 14:46:49 GMT
I am wondering if there may be a North / South divide reguarding type of hunters avail..the reason I say this , 3 yrs ago I purchased a lovely filly from near Malvern that was advertised as a Show hunter type (15h) she had been shown and won as a youngster at county level ..we have her under saddle as a SRT as she doesnt have the bone I would want on a SH and is more of a hack !
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Post by peacefultwo on Sept 30, 2009 17:03:29 GMT
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Post by Milliesmum on Sept 30, 2009 17:21:31 GMT
Picture No. 3 for me!
No disrespect to any of the others btw, just think it goes to show how subjective the judges decision can be. What one judge loves won't be the next one's cup of tea!
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Post by tuppence on Sept 30, 2009 17:22:29 GMT
I think that, as in all things, it depends on the judge. Earlier this year I stewarded in some RIHS Q SHP classes. There was a probationer in with the judge so I was able to listen to the conversation about "type" The judge was most definate about the amount of bone a SHP should have, as compared to a SP. I don't think type is being lost - it's just that sometimes there is nothing better in the ring and so a pony that is lacking in bone will win.
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Post by lottiechad on Sept 30, 2009 17:23:51 GMT
I own two SHP . My 133,Longriver Sunray, is on loan to ponycrazy and at the age of 20 is still winning and getting placed at a high level. most judges love him. We also have a 153 Smallland smokescreen who has qualified HOYS but my gripe is in the 153 class quite often horses who are not SCALED DOWN and with NO pony characteristics will be at the top of the line, also hate it when SHP move like show ponies not hunters!!
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Post by tuppence on Sept 30, 2009 17:25:02 GMT
Picture No. 3 for me! No disrespect to any of the others btw, just think it goes to show how subjective the judges decision can be. What one judge loves won't be the next one's cup of tea! Is # 3 the chesnut? Surely, it's back at the knee and lacking in depth of girth! I think that number 6 is the best over all.
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Post by peacefultwo on Sept 30, 2009 17:26:41 GMT
Picture No. 3 for me! No disrespect to any of the others btw, just think it goes to show how subjective the judges decision can be. What one judge loves won't be the next one's cup of tea! 3&5 are the same one. 1&2 is the dam of 3&5 and was a very big winner inhand and ridden and also turned her toe to WHP classes which she either won or chucked her jockey off. ;D
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Post by Milliesmum on Sept 30, 2009 17:28:06 GMT
Don't profess to be any kind of expert on conformation, was more commenting on the stamp of pony - to me it looks like a pony you could hunt, and some of the others look a little light to me. This is what I was trying to say, opinions will differ and not everyone will like the same thing!
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Post by peacefultwo on Sept 30, 2009 17:32:45 GMT
Picture No. 3 for me! No disrespect to any of the others btw, just think it goes to show how subjective the judges decision can be. What one judge loves won't be the next one's cup of tea! Is # 3 the chesnut? Surely, it's back at the knee and lacking in depth of girth! I think that number 6 is the best over all. Picture no 3 was only 2 years old and unbeaten that year, and picture number five was taken when she was four.
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Post by smartami on Sept 30, 2009 17:43:14 GMT
Is # 3 the chesnut? Surely, it's back at the knee and lacking in depth of girth! I think that number 6 is the best over all. Picture no 3 was only 2 years old and unbeaten that year, and picture number five was taken when she was four. SHe was carrying 'condition' as a 2 year old wasnt she amazing how a change of browband has made a very plain head look equisitely pretty
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Post by hormonal on Sept 30, 2009 17:45:48 GMT
3/5 is my idea of what a SHP should look like - substance but with some quality. 1/2 is a lovely pony but if I was super-critical I might say it is just erring on the side of looking like a plaited up M&M.
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Post by ponycrazy on Sept 30, 2009 17:50:25 GMT
I own two SHP . My 133,Longriver Sunray, is on loan to ponycrazy and at the age of 20 is still winning and getting placed at a high level. most judges love him. We also have a 153 Smallland smokescreen who has qualified HOYS but my gripe is in the 153 class quite often horses who are not SCALED DOWN and with NO pony characteristics will be at the top of the line, also hate it when SHP move like show ponies not hunters!! That's 'cos he's gorgeous!! Have to say (without wanting to cause offence to anyone) that in general the 133cm SHP class this year has been rather poor... I think that many of them look like fat show ponies rather than true to type show hunters!! Only my opinion though.....
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Post by perfect on Sept 30, 2009 18:36:54 GMT
lovely ridden ponies, but wouldnt be my idea of a SH pony, i like bone and substance, with a slight touch!! of quality perhaps thats why i cant find a 12hh, im too old fashioned, PM me if anyone kn ows of one to do
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Post by Nuzzle on Sept 30, 2009 19:19:13 GMT
There is a proper one in Kent on horsequest. Liver chestnut mare. She's a gem of a pony and only for sale as my friend's daughter has outgrown her.
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Post by tuppence on Sept 30, 2009 19:23:35 GMT
I Picture no 3 was only 2 years old and unbeaten that year, and picture number five was taken when she was four. SHe was carrying 'condition' as a 2 year old wasnt she amazing how a change of browband has made a very plain head look equisitely pretty IMO her forelimb is more obviously weak as she has got older.
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Post by lottiechad 1 on Oct 1, 2009 10:54:07 GMT
I own two SHP . My 133,Longriver Sunray, is on loan to ponycrazy and at the age of 20 is still winning and getting placed at a high level. most judges love him. We also have a 153 Smallland smokescreen who has qualified HOYS but my gripe is in the 153 class quite often horses who are not SCALED DOWN and with NO pony characteristics will be at the top of the line, also hate it when SHP move like show ponies not hunters!! That's 'cos he's gorgeous!! Have to say (without wanting to cause offence to anyone) that in general the 133cm SHP class this year has been rather poor... I think that many of them look like fat show ponies rather than true to type show hunters!! Only my opinion though..... yes he is gorgeous!! here is Sunny at 18 and still going strong with Helen and Nicola now!
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Post by Mari on Oct 1, 2009 12:58:07 GMT
SHP for me should be full of bone and substance, not fat Show ponies. I think i might start a tradional SHP stud and bring them back from the brink!!! anyone with me!!!! Its right though the judge can only judge what is in the ring and if there is a line of fat sp in front of them, well thats all they can pick from. But what does rack me off the most is that when there is a few tradional true to type SHP mixed in with a few fat SP and they still place the fat SP above the SHP what is that all about! What are everyones FAV of all time!!!! Famous or non famous! Mine is - Lemington Cliquot or Parkhill Cantona to name a few.
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Post by apple123 on Oct 1, 2009 13:45:50 GMT
Mine are Hamptonne Hawke Eye and Chiddock Over The Limit
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Post by True to type on Oct 1, 2009 15:39:39 GMT
Not professing to be an expert but I like to see a SHP have bone, and again not move like a show pony. It should look like it would enjoy a days hunting but still have quality and be able to gallop. I have always thought the best ones look like if you moved them up a height they would still look like a hunter and for me Fairholmes Rossetta Rasphody(sorry spelling probably wrong) fitted that mark - would have looked good at any height, would also say the same about Cliquot and Over the Limit.
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Post by Maybe not on Oct 1, 2009 21:43:58 GMT
Last one's too cresty for me. Young Dragonara every time
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Post by gusto on Oct 1, 2009 22:10:41 GMT
There are some lovely pics, some hunters, some not. I have looked at the coloured pony on the first page, and in my opinion it has never seen a SHP. Sorry, no bone.. I think the problem is that some peopple dont understand bone density...
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Post by starrider on Oct 2, 2009 9:31:27 GMT
I think my 15hh SHP is old fashioned and 'true to type' (biased I know lol) - but can't get photobucket to work - would somebody post his pic for me if I send it to them by email please!
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Post by Diadem nsi on Oct 2, 2009 10:39:38 GMT
My all time favourite SHP was Sion Brian
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Post by helle on Oct 2, 2009 11:18:31 GMT
A few years ago we owned a little Waxwing pony. He was a pb so showed him as a shp. I emailed Tom Best of the stud with some photos, and I know he used this photo at a judges conference as an example of a shp (perhaps he was just bias though!)
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Post by clobo121082notlogged on Oct 2, 2009 13:42:46 GMT
I totally agree that many shp's are lacking in limb but DUN4U i take slight exception that the 'older'generation are the only people who recognise this. I like my hunters to have limb AND to go like a hunter. There is not point having a pony that may look like a hunter but can't walk and inch or move in the correct way to get across a hunting field!!! I strongly agree with Mr Parker Jones at the end of the day you can only judge what you see in front of you and also how they go. There is uproar on here if ponies that maybe truer to type beat those that go better but may have less bone! Also I also think something else to remember is not just how much bone there is but the quality of it. Personally to me true shp's of recent days are Fairholme Rossetta Rhapsody in type and way of going, Sion Brian, Chiddock Over The Limit and Lemmington Clique all were typey with bone but yet quality!
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Post by lucretia on Oct 2, 2009 13:50:12 GMT
CB Esquire, Leamington Cliquot, Marshbrook Honeysuckle all are trueSHP IMO. I think its important as clobo says for there to be good limbs and bone but quality bone. Some chunky ponies lack this and may be lovely ponies, but that touch of quality gives them the stamina, movement and makes them stand out.
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Post by hopeteam on Oct 3, 2009 15:57:34 GMT
Alot of SHP's now do lack bone .. and i seem to find that a True top class SHP would look very out of place in a coloured browband.
Chiddock Over The Limit - Very Smart, Plenty Bone, Business Like Movement = True to type SHP!
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Post by sophie007 on Oct 3, 2009 21:04:27 GMT
on horse quest byley crackerjack ,,,, did this pony used to be owned by tracey lowe or bred by her ??
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Post by caron on Oct 4, 2009 9:34:50 GMT
There are some lovely pics, some hunters, some not. I have looked at the coloured pony on the first page, and in my opinion it has never seen a SHP. Sorry, no bone.. I think the problem is that some peopple dont understand bone density... Apologies-but-s[pace-bar-broken Of-course-she-has-seen-a-SHP-she-has-stood-next-to-them-in-plenty-of-line-ups She-is-maybe-a-bit-flimsy-and-lw-but-compared-to-some-that-have-stood-above-her-on-occasion-she-is-positively-chunky,many-of-them-having-tiny-skinny-legs-and-pin-heads-with-big-fat-bodies,whereas-she-is-still-a-bit-whippet-like-being-only-just-4yo-at-the-time-of-the-pic-and-burns-off-most-of-her-calories-tearing-round-the-field Out-of-my-3-she-would-be-the-one-that-I-would-actually-say-would-be-able-to-actually-hunt-she-is-bold-brave-and-beautiful,she-is-my-dream-pony-and-we-love-her-a-huge-amount At-the-type-of-shows-we-took-her-to-last-year,-theSHP-class-seemed-the-most-suited,she-would've-looked-out-of-place-in-a-showpony-class-at-RC-level-maybe-at-CHAPS-we-could've-gotten-away-with-showpony-classes,and-I-certainly-wasn't-getting-up-at-4am-to-get-there-on-this-occassion-to-do-the-ridden-coloureds
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Post by cheryl on Oct 4, 2009 9:53:36 GMT
I plaited my filly up just for fun. What you think?
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