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Post by ferret on Nov 3, 2009 19:53:07 GMT
As said before there is nothing sinister in the prospect of CRB checks and it is unlikely that any judges or stewards will be lost due to this. CRB's are a sensible precautionary measure now required for many different roles. Ferret's comment about requirement for CRB checks is dependent on the county/authority in question. In some areas you can't start work or set foot in a place/event until you have received your CRB number. If/when CRB's are required by show/showing organisations then their officials will have to comply. Unless people have done something seriously bad then there is nothing to worry about. Showing will need to fall in line with other sports eventually. i work for Coca Cola and non of our education reps ( like me ) have had checks and we have approximately 200 reps nationwide , we go into school canteens everyday , but i suppose we dont have any dealings with the children , just the head teachers and catering staff
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Post by halfpass on Nov 3, 2009 20:03:34 GMT
Come where are they going to draw the line, we have all been to over night shows, there are always hundreds of kids running around all over the place even late into the night, what are they going to do have CRB checks done on all competitors as well.
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Post by Futures on Nov 3, 2009 20:25:16 GMT
Wonder who will pay for them??? The likelyhood is that individuals will be asked to pay for their own or supply the number and date of those done by their employers. Interestingly lots of school pupils now need them for voluntary work and work experience so gradually it could become the norm for people to have them.
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Post by hp on Nov 3, 2009 20:35:53 GMT
Cost us (or rather Carrillion) £47 per check
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Post by brindlerainbow on Nov 3, 2009 20:36:14 GMT
futures where do you get your information??? At the school I work in we always have year 10 work experience students every summer none are CRB checked. My daughter took part in a programme at school where she supervised primary school children during sports activities she did not need to be CRB checked.
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Post by nici on Nov 3, 2009 20:45:00 GMT
Oh for goodness sake, this is political correctness gone mad I am the mother of a 6yo daughter, who competes at maybe 20 shows a year. Do I think she's at any risk from judges or officials at shows - not one bit! Because every second she has any sort of contact with the judges and stewardss she is in my sight and that of many other people. Pony Club is different - although at our branch she isn't allowed at Camp or Rallies without me (or another responsible adult) present. However older kids are allowed to attend unaccompanied, and to stay over at Camp, and yes, I think the supervising adults should be CRB checked in those circumstances. But it's a smaller number of adults with much closer contact with the kids. So I'm not saying Equestrianism should be exempt, just that lumping judges and stewards at shows in with the "coaches and officials" in the guidelines above is ridiculous, given the very limited and very public contact they have with the kids.
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Post by hp on Nov 3, 2009 20:46:03 GMT
I actually agree with Future that it will become the norm. i have already stated our case. I have MUCH closer contact to children as a judge than they do . I also agree that the country has gone bloody mad. The most recent case of child abuse involved nursery workers who I am sure had been checked. BUT if they are asking us to do them then i expect ANYONE involved with childrens sport in any sort of official capacity will be asked to have one.
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Post by columbine on Nov 3, 2009 20:50:43 GMT
I will ask my daughter about this, she is a manager in Social Services for Child Protection. Maybe she can enlighten us as to whether there are going to be new rules in force. I will let you know what the outcome is.
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Post by Guestless on Nov 3, 2009 22:15:27 GMT
futures where do you get your information??? At the school I work in we always have year 10 work experience students every summer none are CRB checked. My daughter took part in a programme at school where she supervised primary school children during sports activities she did not need to be CRB checked. I'm surprised at that. We had to have disclosures (we call them that up here in Scotland) done for volunteers supervising kids at a summer arts project. We also advise all our tenants & residents associations to have them done if they are organising youth activities/bus trips, etc. Maybe it's more strictly monitored up here
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Post by Balvenie on Nov 3, 2009 22:32:39 GMT
We are CRB checked at work, so I would be fine if judges ever have to have them.
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Post by brindlerainbow on Nov 4, 2009 9:05:50 GMT
Guestless as my daughter was a year 11 student at the time thats probably why she didnt need checking as this programme was part of their GCSE PE course work. Future was saying that pupils need CRB checking in some schools but I have never heard that before!!!!!!
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Post by viking on Nov 4, 2009 9:57:28 GMT
I have no doubt that it will come, and no doubt this country has gone mad.
Future shows with no kids classes, eh?
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Post by shelleyj on Nov 4, 2009 10:27:38 GMT
of course children are much safer hanging around street corners and making a nuisance of themselves! god forbid they should take part in organised sports cos the adults have been hounded out...
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Post by thecremellosociety on Nov 4, 2009 10:58:33 GMT
I have no objection to having one myself, as nothing to hide, though wouldnt want to be paying for one, and think shows/ societys got enough on their plates finacially and paperwork wise with out any extra burden. Judging in a open ring theres not alot to hide really, i have on occasion touched a hand to show how to hold something, moved a lower foot to show a child where it should be and touched a string tied to waist to clip on a rosette or even shaken the occasional hand, though am very careful as you could leave your self open to accusations in this day and age.
Grandad who sadly died 2 years ago, loved children and was a very sweet old man, and a old londoner at that, sadly he had 2 children ( my partners mum who is now 60) and they had a younger son who tragically died from leukimia aged about 4 or 5, in those days children were peoples lifes, they never got over it, and he loved all children always takling to them and giving them a penny, though we had to sadly in later years stop him being so kind as some parents didnt like the thought of a old man speaking to children who he may have just met, he was a totally doting father and grandfather and was so sad that in the day and age we are in everyone is treated suspicioulsy, but you can understand with the few weirdos out there why we have to be cautious, but its such a sad state of affairs.
We used to play out on the street as children and go all over, i used to ride for miles and miles on my own from age 8 till about 15 - 16, never thought we were in any danger.
Just seems so sad that life has come to people having to be throughly checked out for everything, not objecting at all, as i have children and understand the importance of their safety, just seems really really sad xxxxx
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Post by sunnyday on Nov 4, 2009 11:11:42 GMT
This is just so ridculous. Yes, if someone is running a riding school then they should have a crb check as they are likely to be left unsupervised with children. But... for judges etc to need one is so stupid - whatever happened to parents responsiblity to look after their own children. Who is reality would leave their child at a show unsupervised
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Post by brindlerainbow on Nov 4, 2009 11:26:32 GMT
Does anyone actually know if this is true or not? or is it just speculation???
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Post by Milliesmum on Nov 4, 2009 11:32:56 GMT
As there is no official comment from any of the showing societies, I would say it's just speculation, wouldn't you?
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Post by Futures on Nov 4, 2009 19:05:50 GMT
As there is no official comment from any of the showing societies, I would say it's just speculation, wouldn't you? The BHS are evidently already training their stewards and requiring them to have CRB checks. The British Driving Society have done so for several years. Gradually the others will need to fall into line or be doubted. Child Protection & CRB's regularly come up at showing stewards training. It's surprisng that none of the societies have acted on it yet. It is important. At a show this summer a child was beaten beyond reason on a lorry when a parent lost their temper. Shows need to know procedures for when these things arise.
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Post by Milliesmum on Nov 4, 2009 19:10:01 GMT
As there is no official comment from any of the showing societies, I would say it's just speculation, wouldn't you? At a show this summer a child was beaten beyond reason on a lorry when a parent lost their temper. Shows need to know procedures for when these things arise. Does there need to be a procedure for that? Surely nobody would stand by and watch that happen? I would be straight on the phone to the police and social services, putting myself in between parent and child in the meantime. I can't see how a CRB check would have prevented that if it was done by the child's own parent?
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Post by brindlerainbow on Nov 4, 2009 19:10:19 GMT
If a child gets beaten beyond reason I would call for the police not some random person with a CRB check!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by cassie30 on Nov 4, 2009 19:10:33 GMT
So do the parents need one then? what has that got to do with judges and how the hell would a CRB check stop a parent beating a child beyond reason on a lorry? or anything else for that matter?
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Post by brindlerainbow on Nov 4, 2009 19:19:33 GMT
Yes how would a judge stop a parent beating a child just beacuse they were CRB checked? ?? I really dont understand the logic in what futures is suggesting
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Post by cassie30 on Nov 4, 2009 19:23:50 GMT
MM atleast you would dare to do that, many people would not, for fear of getting hurt, i too would do the same.
But nope, cant see what relevance that has to CRB's. Would the CRB checked judge, maybe an elderly one, be expected to go and help? I dont get it!
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Post by Milliesmum on Nov 4, 2009 19:27:12 GMT
If it's a child I just see red. Two drunks fighting in town on a friday night I'd probably just let them get on with it. No one's going to stand back and watch a child being beaten though, surely?
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Post by cassie30 on Nov 4, 2009 19:31:43 GMT
Me too, but yes i do believe alot of people would. think society has got that way sadly, obviously not everyone would walk on by, suppose at a show, with lots of people present, it wouldn't be that hard to put a stop to it. But, i cant believe anyone would do that at a show? !!!!
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Post by brindlerainbow on Nov 4, 2009 19:34:32 GMT
No I cant believe anyone would do that at a show either.So did it really happen or is it just the same as the CRB checks......................nonsense
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Post by hollycane on Nov 4, 2009 19:41:09 GMT
Futures, I'm not aware of anyone in the BDS either nationally or regionally getting or needing a CRB check. Where are you getting your info from? You seem to know an awful lot about it. I know several people who steward for BHS eventing and dressage and they know nothing about it either. So please enlighten us as this does seem a tad like a scaremongering story even though I can see some logic in the requirements for CRB checks in a few situations in the horse showing world.
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Post by cassie30 on Nov 4, 2009 19:41:55 GMT
Thinking so! surely it would be made into a big issue if anyone knew about it! Which show was this futures?
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Post by Futures on Nov 4, 2009 20:00:44 GMT
There were trained staff there who reported the incident appropriately. There was a CP policy in the show's rislk assessment and so the officials knew what to do.
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Post by brindlerainbow on Nov 4, 2009 20:49:18 GMT
futures what were the staff trained in? Bit strange how this so called incident of child beating at a show has never come to light before considering it took place in public. With the amount of people that attend shows to compete or spectate and that many of those specators/competitors have access to the numerous forums that there are on the internet and yet no one reported seeing it even though we regularly get to hear of ponies getting beaten up at shows,dodgy judging,dodgy producers,rip off shows etc etc. Very strange me thinks
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