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Post by anotherdeal1 on Nov 10, 2009 9:28:40 GMT
tie him to an inner tube
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Post by Milliesmum on Nov 10, 2009 9:40:31 GMT
can you use a block of wood on the end of a leadrope, then pass the clip end of the rope through the tie ring and clip to the headcollar, then the weight of the block will keep the rope taut but if he pulls back he won't have the resistance of a 'fixed' tie to pull against.
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Post by sarahp on Nov 10, 2009 10:43:17 GMT
I use a strong rubber "bungy" from Horseguard to teach them to tie up - if they pull back the pressure increases gradually, they don't get a sudden dead stop, and to start with I watch and shoo them forward from behind when they pull back and they soon learn that is the way to relieve the pressure, as well as learning that they can't get away. It will break before the pony's neck does but only under extreme pressure, only ever had it happen once and that was a visiting Welsh D mature mare!
More difficult to teach one that already knows he can break bits of string of course. I do have a bee in my bonnet that all ponies should know about being held by the head and be cool with it having seen a few accidents where ponies appeared to tie up OK, but if spooked by something pulled back, realised for the first time ever that they are actually tied by the head and then panicked big time. It also has the effect of teaching them that they can't get away from a human leader, again a handy thing for them to know, so they then don't try to pull away from you even if dancing around on the end of the rope as in their minds they can't.
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Post by sunny1 on Nov 10, 2009 12:07:55 GMT
Block of wood and rope through the ring has worked very well for some of our youngsters, gets them used to the idea, without having that 'yank' panic point.
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Post by Jenna on Nov 10, 2009 12:13:32 GMT
try attatching a lunge line to him an treading it through the ring an holding the other end, then walk around him, groom him or something, so that when he pulls back the lunge line will of with him, so he has nothing pulling against him when he pulls
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Post by Guestless on Nov 10, 2009 15:47:01 GMT
I've got a Fell pony who does that when he chooses too - although he has grown out of it and does it less frequently now. I tried lots of things - double baling twine (he just burst headcollars and/or leadropes instead), bungee (broke that VERY quickly), lunge lines (only worked if I was there to hold the end).
Best thing I found was a really long lead rope and he found he had to pull back and then back again and back again so lost interest before it was taut enough to snap! I tied it normally then tied lots of quick release knots in the long extra bit so he didn't get tangled in it (and he though each knot was going to be the one to free him).
I do think it depends on whether they are genuinely scared or, as you seem to describe, just want to (my boy didn't ever run off when he broke free, he just wanted to break free!) You could stand and watch him and he would pull back quite gently, just enough to break whatever he was tied to (or a bit further to break headcollars, etc).
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Post by sparkle on Nov 10, 2009 16:03:57 GMT
what about a large baling twine, then smaller, then smaller and so as he snaps that one there's still another two (or however many you want to use) that he's got to get through and they normally dont bother after the 2nd if they are just doing it to break free?
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Post by sarahp on Nov 10, 2009 16:15:32 GMT
The bungy I use is about 1" diameter of rubber and REALLY doesn't break easily! There are thinner ones around I know, and for me the beauty of it is to teach them that going forward into it relieves the pressure on the head, going backwards only increases it!
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Post by dancer on Nov 11, 2009 13:17:14 GMT
We had a pony that did the same, especially when having his feet trimmed - although he would happily have 2 feet done before he pulled back, as soon as he was 'free' he would just stand & let he farrier carry on???!!! Ours grew out of it eventually - I think he just got bored of his 'game'!
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Post by colourful on Nov 11, 2009 19:16:06 GMT
You can get strong rubber ring things ( pipe ring seals)from a plumbers merchant - I have a horse who did the break away thing until he was 10! - OH brought me home one of these and he pulled and pulled and eventually yes it snapped but he got a sharp "ping" to his delicate furry little nose with it ( ouch!) - never again did he do it. Effective
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Post by chloe2 on Nov 11, 2009 22:20:29 GMT
The string is a safety thing as you know, but when they learn they can break it then break it they will. With youngsters make sure it can't be broken but don't leave them unattended. They will very quickly learn it isn't worth the effort. I also discovered nylon leadropes as I had a cob who made light work of rope ones.
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Post by brookhouse on Nov 22, 2009 21:15:05 GMT
I bought a pony earlier this year that would not tie go on the yard and has broke that many head collars and ropes , bale twin. the rope is now knotted onto the head collar so the clip can't brake and I tie her too strong rope this seems to have worked she now does not even try to brake it. but I still can't trust to tie her to the lorry so on and off she has to go all day. but it works in days
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Post by pipspears on Dec 1, 2009 22:34:33 GMT
i had a tb x cldey x wb she did the same it becomes learned behavour, in the end i just tied her to the ring stayed on hand fro any probs and left her to fight against her self they aint stupid once he learns he cant get away hell stop. also try clicka when he stops pulling click n reward fells learn quick what they can n carnt do all natives are the same,, good luck
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Post by bowditchblobs on Dec 9, 2009 15:52:46 GMT
I realy cant see a fell breaking it's neck if you tie it straight to the ring or post. I'll never forget the ex racer i had on loan, she used to do this and take off, lost her twice down the road, blooming night mare, couldnt tie her up to dangerous- and yes i tied her to a post once she took off complete with the post in tow!!!! How the rope didnt break i dont know, the joys of thoughbreds, iv just got walking carpets now, my fell eats lead ropes though, i get through loads! Good luck with yours!
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