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Post by bessy on Dec 14, 2009 23:08:13 GMT
Hi, i have just bought an unbroken leadrein pony and am just wondering how to teach the pony to go in a nice outline when he will only ever be ridden by a small child on the leadrein. Can it be done with side reins on the lunge? Many thanks
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Post by Milliesmum on Dec 14, 2009 23:14:37 GMT
OK, I might get shot down in flames here, but here goes: IMO, if you strap his head in you will get a false outline. He is only a baby, he needs to learn to go forwards THEN he needs to learn how to carry himself. IMO (gosh I'm saying that a lot!), the correct head carriage needs to come from behind - if he is using his back end properly, his head will come down naturally, and that is something that will only come with time and schooling, there are no short cuts. But if you take it slow you will get a better pony in the end.
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Post by amumwithapony on Dec 15, 2009 9:38:35 GMT
I agree with MM, if you start strapping his head in now, you will just create a false outline. this is a problem i often think about with my l/r, my daughter is neither big enough, strong enough or competent enough to get her to go into an outline, and i have no small jock to do the schooling for her, so TBH we just tootle around. OK we are never gonna get to HOYS like this, as pony does poke her nose out when nice and relaxed, but id rather have a happy safe pony and jockey, than have her 'overschooled' by an adult, making her too responsive to flappy little legs, or strapped in to create a prettier, but false picture. In the new year I intend to start longreining her, to see if i can get her a little less pokey nosed that way, but if that doesnt work, then tough, she will stay the way she is. if that means propping the end of the line up in l/r classes then im not really bothered, as long as we have some fun, and i have a fnacy dress mad daughter anyway, so have a feeling any red ones will come from the novelty classes. At the end of the day, a l/r pony is more than just looking 'correct' when it does its show. its about how much you trust the pony to look after your little ones, no matter what, whether it be a air display overhead, a torrential downpour, or a loose horse galloping about. what mine may lack in outline, it more than makes up for in child friendliness, and a child has never fell off because the pony didnt carry its head all tucked in and correct!
Good luck with him tho, its harder work breaking l/r's in than the big ones, as you have to do everything from the ground. unless you re lucky enough to be a skinny minny and jump on yourself!
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Post by bethanyy on Dec 15, 2009 11:56:42 GMT
Good luck with him tho, its harder work breaking l/r's in than the big ones, as you have to do everything from the ground. unless you re lucky enough to be a skinny minny and jump on yourself! I used to work for a woman who had l/r's for her daughter and she used to throw me on and I schooled the ponies for her. ;D She also used to put sidereins on them when they were being lunged, however i agree with MM and amumwithapony that it creates a false outline but different people have different opinions when it comes to using training aids etc.. Do you not have a lightweight rider that can get on the pony for you and school it?
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Post by Sara on Dec 15, 2009 12:34:18 GMT
Can't beat Lots of longreining imo, but i would do this when backing anyway. Are you going to break her yourself?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2009 14:17:01 GMT
OK, I might get shot down in flames here, but here goes: IMO, if you strap his head in you will get a false outline. He is only a baby, he needs to learn to go forwards THEN he needs to learn how to carry himself. IMO (gosh I'm saying that a lot!), the correct head carriage needs to come from behind - if he is using his back end properly, his head will come down naturally, and that is something that will only come with time and schooling, there are no short cuts. But if you take it slow you will get a better pony in the end. Absolutley right mm- I spend hours long-reining when I'm breaking my Dartmoors which then go into the show ring doing lr & fr.
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Post by kayjayem on Dec 15, 2009 14:38:39 GMT
Long reining, long reining and more long reining! This will get the pony using herself from behind and establish a nice soft mouth. Once she has this she will carry herslf in an outline without being forced into it and will also be responsive to very light rider contact from little people to set her up for FR later.
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Post by brookhouse on Dec 22, 2009 21:32:33 GMT
I have just started to back a pony for lead rein, hopeing togo on to first ridden fingers crossed and I have started by lunging and long reining around the block, not good in this weather though. he is already taking a nice light contact ready for little people . I have the advantage I am light and also will school him too , all ponies are different though , I have used side reins before but later found they cancasue other issues like leaning etc , but again they work well with others . good luck but its worth it
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Post by sageandonion on Dec 24, 2009 13:26:30 GMT
Shouldn't a small pony just be backed like anything else?
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Post by nat12 on Dec 24, 2009 14:49:41 GMT
Im sure it will be backed like anything else it i think she was asking about schooling it on for lead rein?
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Post by sageandonion on Dec 24, 2009 15:18:01 GMT
In that case, I would have the person backing the pony school it on a little more on a regular basis. At whatever level, a natural soft outline can only be achieved by schooling and building up of correct muscle.
Long reining is great and lunging is beneficial using whatever aid you prefer. Side reins, etc., should not be used to pull the head in or you achieve stilted movement behind as well as a false fixed neck with incorrect muscle, not to mention a spoiled and unhappy pony.
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Post by Artistic on Dec 26, 2009 22:06:12 GMT
It's clear when watching the lead rein classes that many of the ponies have been strapped in and it gives what I personally think is the most horrible, unatural and unattractive outline. I just can't understand judges who reward that - the very top ponies don't seem to do it but too many in the middle do. I truly find it depressing.
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Post by lynhdamponies on Jan 3, 2010 13:53:01 GMT
I have just backed our 12.2hh with my 7yr old as jockey. I do lots of longreining when she isn't on and then take her for long walks which gets her to stretch, relax and starts to round out nicely. I always show my youngsters in -hand which helps in their outline and how to carry themselves.
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Post by applejack1 on Jan 7, 2010 14:18:06 GMT
Hi Can anyone offer advice on teaching a L/R pony to stand. Ours is fine at home, but at a show never wants to stand for the judge! She just wants to get on with it! Will it just improve with practice or are then any tricks I don't know?
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Post by pipspears on Jan 7, 2010 21:58:46 GMT
ok here goes how does one do the above with a 30" shetland i do the longreining etc but as im 5.8"tall you can imagine the carry on, hes used as a leadrein but can be a bit of a monster at times and i dont know any very capable jockys small enuf to ride succsefully off the l/r
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Post by nat12 on Jan 7, 2010 22:02:11 GMT
If he's a monster, is he really a lead rein pony anyway?
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Post by pipspears on Jan 7, 2010 23:22:06 GMT
yep hes just a typical shetie cheeky chap, n yes he is a leadrein pony hes just not push button, hell teach both my girls to ride, i dont want a bin there n dun it i wanted somthing my girls would learn on, as him off l/r ill cross that bridge then, so nobody please give me the sheties dont make good ponys for children or dont you think you should have gone for a better behaved pony,, ponys are to have fun with and to be rode not to be used as a taxi for a tiny jocky to sit on and then learn to ride once off the l/r no point learn to ride and controll on l/r then fr comes together,, any way longreining is the best way to get your pony going, ive been bringing on ponys for over 12yrs, and on my 2nd ilph pony and i found long reining to give ponys ballance and also the confidence to go alone in front {without the handler being next to its shoulder} time is the best take you time n wait theres allways a next showing season etc, and dont let your pony become to over bent and false looking.........my coment at the begining was only meant as a bt of humour at my own expense
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Post by nat12 on Jan 7, 2010 23:25:25 GMT
Thats fine with me chick! i never wanted kids to not be able to ride either i agree they should be able to ride to a degree once lead rein comes off! when you said monster i had horrible images!
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Post by Milliesmum on Jan 7, 2010 23:27:28 GMT
Most of the shetties I've known have been evil little gits with adults and perfect angels for the kids! I think the problem with them is they are too clever by half!
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Post by pipspears on Jan 7, 2010 23:59:36 GMT
nah s i know what you mean though hes had his moments beleave me he went through a stage of rolling with my eldest on, but my hubby sorted that out, he loves it wen the kids go ni think he just wants to go off with them without the oldies tagin along he just forgets they not ready yet, bless him
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Post by sarahp on Jan 8, 2010 13:31:40 GMT
Our little Welsh used to go down and roll with us when he got bored at Pony Club - we had one instructor who used to make us do school movements in sitting trot with no stirrups for HOURS. We rather liked the rolling as it enlivened things a bit. We were older though, not quite the same when tinies on board.
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Post by pipspears on Jan 8, 2010 20:22:22 GMT
there buggers arnt they dinky ponys, but its what to do with them, you can neva find a dinky jocky whos strong eniough to sort them,, id need rollerskates on if were to ride ours, lol, the fun of ponys
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Post by pointer on Jan 10, 2010 9:20:51 GMT
Iagree long reining long reining and long reining but I personally always break my lead reins to go off the lead and beg borrow and steal little competant riders. Mine all hack out off the lead go to pony club and are treated like a NORMAL pony! This enables them to have another job later in life and makes them use their hind end and teach them to carry themselves However I intergrate it with bits of side reins and setting them upo on the lead rein It is all about getting a happy medium and being able to juggle the work. Over the years i have had sooooo many ponies come to me with bad backs and damaged ham strings due to bad management and bad training skills. I do not think that there is a problem with using side reins but use your brains and put yourself in their shoes when assessing how long to use them for,how short to have them and now often. USE YOUR COMMON SENSE ;D
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Post by leahwright on Apr 6, 2010 21:34:13 GMT
Never long reined how do you do this? Quite new to all this have a lead rein pony. would never dream of getting on him although have seen this happening at shows!
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Post by grotty on Apr 8, 2010 18:22:59 GMT
Hi Can anyone offer advice on teaching a L/R pony to stand. Ours is fine at home, but at a show never wants to stand for the judge! She just wants to get on with it! Will it just improve with practice or are then any tricks I don't know? Just miles on the clock I would think, certainly I don't expect perfect stands in their first season, there is too much going on at shows, even if they have been shown as babies they can find the whole rider on thing a bit different, just time and patience and also don't let them obviously take the mickey!!
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