Cross breeds

[dazycutter]

and these are my choice.



little fat sausages... LOL

[viking]

Feb 9, 2010 10:08:41 GMT princessstacie22 said:

scientific evidence cannot be biased suzee. sorry but if it was biased, why did nearly ALL of the sponsors pull out??
Im not blaming the KC for everything, but it has encouraged unhealthy breeding and crufts has too.
It all comes down to the good old rossette again, people will do anything to get one but then i suppose thats a different story all together.

The lady i was speaking to about getting a bulldogge has just had two litters of pups. One litter of 3 the other of 6. she will sell each pup for £3000 because of there fantastic breeding lines and 'true to type' conformation. As i am friends with her son she told me they still have health problems but it comes with the breed. so this year she has made £30,000. Nice little hobbie dont you think?

Why did nearly ALL the sponsers pull out ?

Maybe because the overheads were just too dear and they were handed what appeared, a worthy excuse and used it.
(Cost related pulling out is happening at major equine shows also.)

Cruffts is an International show. I wonder just how the KC is expected to enforce breeding standards abroad ?

And for what it's worth. I have had and bred pedigree dogs and I have also had a good many crosses and out and out mongrels. Health issue, across the board, have been pretty much the same for all!

[viking]

Dazycutter, they are gorgeous.

[suzee]

Only a few trade stands pulled out,there is a waiting list for trade space so not a problem,a lot of exhibitors were glad to see the back of the RSPCA,they have used Crufts for years to
publicise their views.All overseas dogs know that they will be judged as per KC breed standards,

[jasper1]

WOW, what fab puppies, you must be very very busy!

[dazycutter]

they were from a few years ago... I only ever breed when I want one from the litter....its far too much hard work and stress to do it year in year out... raising a large littler of medium sized dogs is no walk in the park....

will hopefully be having some little fat sausages later in the year...

got to find the perfect hubby yet :-)

[dazycutter]

the BBC pulled out due to political issues... which didnt help becasue of the biased documentary.. and it was shown to be biased on population sample size.. its all down to power and significance levels .. I am not hot on statistics but where this documentary was basically floored is that the population size was not represtnative of the breed.

Of course the KC cannot control dogs outside EU but as was said, those competing in the UK have to have dogs that adhere to the breed standard.

this is so off track now from the original thread but a very interesting discussion...

There is still a lot of research into that crossing pedigree dogs does not improve the health but... can diminish the breed characteristics that lead to pedigree traits. Bascially you are watering down the selfish gene that causes inherited illness...

[sarahp]

Sponsorship is about public perception, not necessarily the correctness or not of widely shown information, I'm sure the sponsors will have pulled out for that reason.

Our crossbred dog (litter was a mistake, not ours, dam working farm collie, sire travellers saluki lurcher) came as a puppy with a clicky hip so there's one not perfect! Fine so far aged 8, but has been kept on joint supplement all her life as a precaution. We have had problems with pedigrees too, not saying we haven't, but crosses do not guarantee health

A question for the dog experts - who sets the breed standards, individual breed societies or the KC? If the former, the KC can't be held responsible for ALL health problems due to breeders looking to breed extremes under the breed standards. As for changing standards shortly before Crufts - it would at least give judges more freedom of action to choose less extreme examples. I have recently been in the US and saw a bit of the Westminster Show coverage (their equivalent of Crufts) including a clip of the GSD Show Ch of some years ago. I was very interested to see that he had a much higher rump than today's seem to have, level with his withers - I saw the group winner later. I have no brief either way for the GSD, just a pony breeders' feeling, having studied their conformation, that surely the very low rump must make them trail their quarters and many like that seem to be very wobbly and weak behind. It is very easy to change a breed in a relatively short time by selection.

[suzee]

sarahp the KC set the breed standards.The most common health problems are eye defects
in many breeds,that is not connected to breeders breeding to extremes. Most eye defects can be virtually eradicated or at least drastically reduced if all stock from affected breeds were tested under the official KC/BVA schemes before breeding.The standards are up to each judges interpretation

[sarahp]

Thanks suzee. I quite see that about the eye defects and similar genetic conditions, I was thinking more about polygenic conformation traits where extremes are detrimental to the dogs.

Prior to our current cross bred and rescue apparent saluki (no history so could be a cross but looks pure) we had pedigree and registered (ISDS in the collies' case) working collies and cocker spaniels, so I'm up in the eye conditions, or was at the time, and the cocker hereditary kidney problem too. I expect that is mostly sorted now, this was years ago when it was fairly newly worked out and measures had been taken by the breed society to eradicate it, I was very impressed with that and by digging about was able to buy a puppy as guaranteed as possible to not have it! I'm all for using responsible breeders who take as much care about the health of their puppies as possible.

[suzee]

sarahp if only there was proper legislation to ensure testing for hereditary defects was
obligatory ??!!! I think then that this mania to produce crossbreeds would reduce,it would make people be more responsible before breeding and it would be beneficial for the pups and their prospective new owners.