bmrh
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Post by bmrh on Feb 21, 2010 23:21:09 GMT
Hiya, we are currently in the process of breaking a welsh cob mare and she doesnt know how to canter. well she does but thinks its wrong as she has been shown at top top level inhand for 3 yeard and now it comes to bieng broken she thinks she wll be told of for breaking into canter.! she seems to just trott bigger ad bigger and bigger .!
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Post by lulah on Feb 22, 2010 11:01:46 GMT
i used to have this problem with my welsh D!
he did a lot of showing in hand and drives so was never used to cantering.
with a lot of patience and schooling he now canters fantasticly but we still have a little problem with the transition form trot to canter. he runs in to it a little bit.
to teach hm the canter i did lots on the lunge cantered straight lines in a big open feild (behind another horse at first) and then did schooling in the feilds, obviously because its more open and then dont feel restricted and they also get a bit excited and want to canter! and then cantering properly in the school
its taken a year so far to get his canter pretty perfect - but yours may stuggle with the transitions like mine does as welshys have a big trot movement anyway and think the canter aid is like you asking for a bigger more extended trot!
horses learn lots from a lunge line so id start thier and remeber to do plenty of hacks to - a horse becoming board of schooling will create a whole new lot of problems!
good luck
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bmrh
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Post by bmrh on Feb 22, 2010 15:35:47 GMT
thanks .. would give you karma but not sure how lol
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dazycutter
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Post by dazycutter on Mar 5, 2010 19:19:34 GMT
anyway and think the canter aid is like you asking for a bigger more extended trot! good luck hmmm, not how I would ask for canter as you want their hocks underneath them and balanced... not running faster and faster.. but if it works then brilliant... :-) Great idea about following other horses out in open fields... reinforce the canter aid and enjoy...
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Post by sarah00000 on Mar 5, 2010 19:25:33 GMT
My Farrier breeds welsh cobs. A few years ago I told him my section a couldnt canter. He told me that welshies are not bred to canter, so trot or faster trot is their natural gait, so I would always have to work harder at it.
We therefore taught her on the lunge - a passoa helped and also cantering on hacks behind others.
Later on, we got little adult on her, to teach her to walk to canter and then slow slow trot to canter and she clicked.
It takes a bit of work, but understanding that its not easy for any welshies, helped me to be extra sympathetic and determined to help her.
Hope you succeed xx
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Post by lulah on Mar 5, 2010 22:53:17 GMT
dazy cutter
i ment when you ask a welsh cob to canter sometimes THEY think you want them to extend trot - as its what they do best!
i didnt mean ask for canter this way
i always have to have mine really collected and slow to strike off
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Post by sarahp on Mar 5, 2010 23:02:50 GMT
Never heard of As not being able to canter, although some Cs and Ds don't find it easy. I breed my Ds to have three good paces and they need no special treatment to get the canter. Please don't blanket brand ALL Welshies! Just look properly for a suitable one if you want to ride it and don't choose one that is likely to have this problem. Those that have been shown IH in the Welsh fashion like brmh's and lulah's do have a mental block about it as they have been taught it is undesirable, and as horses have memories like elephants it is always easier to teach them something from scratch than to have to unteach something else first, as here. Dazycutter - a proper extended trot in a Welsh Cob has them using their hocks very actively underneath the body, not running and trailing, and anyway lulah talks of them misunderstanding the canter aid and not trying to get canter through running.
Having said all that, the first D I rode found canter extremely difficult to perform (and had not been shown IH) and my trainer (who was a dressage person) taught the pair of us walk to canter to improve first her pace and second the transition - the mare would fuss and worry too much to make sense of it which the walk to canter trans prevented.
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