Veteran classes

[silvester]

Can anyone tell me if they are stripped in veteran classes? having read the marking system it seems conformation isnt reallly marked, other than 'prescense and well being'

Thanks in advance!

[sidesaddlelady]

Can be at the judges discretion for area qualifiers but must be stripped at Regional Finals i believe.

[conniegirl]

not normaly.

The aim is not to find the best show horse or the best conformation it is to find the best veteran be that a top quality show horse who has several HOYS titles to its name or your family pony who has had a happy life being fed mainly on polos and who at 30 something years old is looking fantastic but hasnt got the greatest conformation in the world.

[saffie1]

They always strip when we have done them and at regionals check tack , horse and riders turnout. Cant always follow there judging, and some of the stewards dont have a clue. !

[columbine]

At qualifying shows they are judged by manners, way of going and suppleness of age marks out of 50 and then for condition, type and presentation again out of 50. Not sure whether the riddens are stripped. Hope this helps.

[bumblebee]

At the regional finals they are stripped - or at least they were at our local one last year.

[saffie1]

Defo strip and they are very picky . one judge checked their coat for oil and dirt, and then looked at her hands for dust. ha ha

[conniegirl]

I've never had my lad stripped in a VHS ridden class, is this a new thing last year? (we had problems last year that ment for the first time since VHS showing began I did not make it to regionals)

[Helen E]

Generally for Area Qualifiers they are not stripped. They should be stripped for the Regionals though.

[sallyw]

I find the veteran Horse Society marking a complete mystery. It definately varies considerably from judge to judge, as to what they consider important. But I guess you just have to give it a go!

[cgreen]

Was stripped at my last show - and points were also awarded(or otherwise) for my groom's attire!

[sallyw]

See what I mean!!

[saffie1]

I thought the classes were for the best veteran horse, not handler/rider. I agree with m.desk and I have received 3- for my comments. !!! They just need be a bit more proffessional like the bsps and bsha. A lot more competitors are coming into veterans that have shown for years and wonder what is going on. The costs of joining are not cheap and they should be more efficient at regionals when it is for Olympia. No offence is meant to any one person.

[thecremellosociety]

Veterans do carry marks for turnout and presentation, as the standard is so very high in most classes, I look for happiness, well being, vitality, and flexiability, as well as the overall picture, with re conformation, editied to say a shetland next to a 17hh hunter for instance , its very difficult sometimes to have a fair mark as you see so many different type of conformation, also while i like to see a healthy veteran, i do not like to see a over fat veteran. I feel that i maybe wouldnt strip at areas, you can tell and in a veteran class a slightly dipped back shouldnt make a massive difference to the overall mark, also sometimes with huge classes there is a time constraint at some shows, when classes of 30 / 40 entrants, sometimes it cannot be done, and while you could strip the top ten until both judges have done the marks you dont know who the top ten will be. I think you can tell the vast majority of health and wellbeing without stripping though maybe this should be done at the regionals where it will be a case of best of the very best maybe , Just my thoughts

[rl]

Emma I know where you are coming from here - it's so hard with different types, shapes and sizes - we stood Reserve, on equal points, to Shelford Rupert at Bicton Regional last year; how can you compare an in-hand shetland to a ridden hunter that has been to HOYS 12 times? we were over the moon to stand equal in points, but way of going mark takes precedence so we didn't get the ticket that day. The VHS have told us that there are going to be a certain numer of in hand ticket this year - we are looking forward very much to that opportunity - as boy is feeling fit and well again this year!!!

[roseview]

Having thought about showing my 24yo veteran this year I am horrified to see that it will cost in excess of £60 to join, register pony etc. That is a ridiculous amount when there is only one opportunity to compete in the area.

[conniegirl]

roseview, £20 of that though is for the horse for life! never needs repaying. it costs similar to register with some other societies except you have to do it every year for other.

[roseview]

Conniegirl, with an oldie who knows how many years showing she will have left, could be just the one, if that. Otherwise there is no need for her to be registered with the VHS.

Initial year £40 membership/joining, £10 overstamping, £12 showing card, £2 age badge. £64

Each year there is still a membership £25, £12 showing card, £2 age badge. £39 to pay.

This is vastly more expensive than breed and main stream showing societies, eg WPCS £30 or NPS £35.

[hs]

Unlike the other societies the VHS does some charitable work in helping people re-home horses and they have old horses living at their centre who need to be paid for too - the membership helps fund those activities as well as just covering the costs of the show administration.

Mar 28, 2010 19:10:04 GMT roseview said:

Conniegirl, with an oldie who knows how many years showing she will have left, could be just the one, if that. Otherwise there is no need for her to be registered with the VHS.

Initial year £40 membership/joining, £10 overstamping, £12 showing card, £2 age badge. £64

Each year there is still a membership £25, £12 showing card, £2 age badge. £39 to pay.

This is vastly more expensive than breed and main stream showing societies, eg WPCS £30 or NPS £35.

[network]

I have never had to strip at an area, but have always stripped at regional qualifiers for the last few years.

[conniegirl]

The VHS fees are nothing compaired to PUK £50 annual membership + £18 annual horse registration (£68 total every year) or the BSPS £42 membership +£30 pony registration(so £72 first year and £42 there after), or the BSHA annual membership of £45 + £45 hoys horse registration(from what I read this is £90 a year), perticularly when you concider that the VHS uses the money to help veteran horses at their rescue centre.

Roseview at 24 years old your neddy is still young, I have a 28 yearold show pony who will be introducing a young nervous child to her first ever show next sunday.
Yes a 13.2hh Ex county standard show pony is realy not what you would normaly find in a FYFR but he will look after her at her first show and that is what we need with a young nervous child. She took him out for a 2 hour hack today and he came back fresh and ready to go again whilst the other pony who is much younger was shattered. Because his mind has been kept active and he hasnt been allowed to rot in a field he is still going strong, he actualy refuses to be retired and will stand at the gate and scream untill you take him with you.
I've also got a 20 yearold connie who still thinks he is 2 and acts like it as well, can see me getting anouther 10 years of fun at least out of him barring anything horrible like colic etc.

[sophsmum]

Mar 27, 2010 17:58:40 GMT cgreen said:

Was stripped at my last show - and points were also awarded(or otherwise) for my groom's attire!

Where did this happen? Grooms have to be smart, as in any other class. Never known marks given for the grooms.

Horses are stripped at regionals.

[sjc]

VHS do not give marks out for the grooms, the groom has to wear a hat in order to come into the ring but apart from that I believe that is it. I dont think they have to be stripped for qualifers but they def have to be in the regional finals.

[hacklover]

Well this is funny!!, we did our 1st veteran class and as we were used to hacks, I jumped off and we stripped him, everyone kinda looked at us and they followed suit. The steward didnt really know what to say...... so we stood up and trotted up and won!! lol. from then on, we always stripped in both the qualifiers and the regionals.