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Post by showingforfun on Apr 12, 2010 21:24:59 GMT
Can anybody give me some advice on how to make a very lazy Section C more forward going? He is not unfit as he can work without getting into a sweat but is just very lazy. We have him on a restricted diet as he is a little over weight but he lives on fresh air. He is stabled most of the time as when he goes out he has even less energy to go forward. Jockey is more worn out than he is after she has finished riding him.
HELP as he is struggling to get round the ring at a show. Yesterday the judge said the jockey looked like she needed oxygen after the go round.
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Post by Milliesmum on Apr 12, 2010 21:31:29 GMT
Hack him out, or even better, take him hunting!
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Post by chloe2 on Apr 12, 2010 21:49:20 GMT
I am having this problem with my young C - great out hacking, in the field - bored in the school. How about having a few jumps inthe school and have a pop inbetween schooling. It might sharpen her up. Also loads of transitions, halt - trot, walk -trot.
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Post by gadabout on Apr 13, 2010 0:34:15 GMT
I went to a lecture by Richard Maxwell, and a girl brought a welsh/arab pony that was bone idle. He said that it had the attitude of the grand visitor at the grand hotel and the rider was the busboy picking the luggage up. The rider had to be assertive, he gave her a whipwhop which was a length of rope with a knot in about as long as a crop, and she had to flick it back and to like a cowboy does. It worked the horse got on with it. try that?
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Post by welshbyname on Apr 13, 2010 6:59:59 GMT
a change of routein every now and again, take him to beach or fun ride or to a x country, even if you don't do the jumps.
Also, on the restricted diet thing, do you add any oil to feed? Soya oil good for condition and a bit of energy, without getting him silly.
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Post by fayeandash on Apr 13, 2010 9:18:27 GMT
was it the show at ribble valley? if it's the pony i am thinking of he looked very stubborn, poor jockey looked worn out.
We do lots of transitions with our section A who is reluctant to go forward, also as said above pop some jumps with him and get him interested.
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Post by sageandonion on Apr 13, 2010 9:29:51 GMT
Treat him to a good trainer, he shall be moving his butt pretty much instantly and then your poor worn out rider can have some lessons.
I would put a muzzel on him and send him out to use some calories and get rid of the extra weight which will not be helping. If he is the stubborn sort, he will be very sour about being kept in as well. The energy acquired from being in a stable is the hysterical sort which doesn't help with rideability and way of going and is very short lived.
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Post by sophieandcallum on Apr 13, 2010 11:35:54 GMT
turn out, restrict grazing and get him out! Forget the school until further notice, maybe pleasure rides or hunting as others have said!
Make being ridden enjoyable and fun, will give a whole new meaning to work. I had to do this with my boy when in the school he would plant himself and bronc or just refuse to do anything. We only touch the school once or twice a week and keep work varied with poles, jumps etc.
Hope that helps ;D
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Post by showingforfun on Apr 13, 2010 18:04:36 GMT
sageandonion he could stay in all week and still have no energy. Just a lazy sort. We are going to take him over to Crowwood near Burnley and use the gallops and see how he gets on and yes perhaps a trip to the beach would be good.
fayeandash-yes we were in the novice at ribble valley-he isn't stubborn but just lazy. Gone from a forward going showpony to a lazy m&m-we can't win!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by fayeandash on Apr 14, 2010 7:43:24 GMT
He's a lovely pony but did look like he could lose a few lbs, it's very difficult to get weight off these ponies that can live off fresh air, we have one who stay the same size even when his feeds are reduced.
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Post by sageandonion on Apr 14, 2010 13:28:04 GMT
sageandonion he could stay in all week and still have no energy. Just a lazy sort. We are going to take him over to Crowwood near Burnley and use the gallops and see how he gets on and yes perhaps a trip to the beach would be good. fayeandash-yes we were in the novice at ribble valley-he isn't stubborn but just lazy. Gone from a forward going showpony to a lazy m&m-we can't win!!!!!!!!!!!! billiebob you say above he used to be forward going, that puts a much different perspective on things. What has changed?
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Post by barefoot on Apr 14, 2010 13:39:26 GMT
have some bloods done and all the usual check tack etc if he used to be forward going. If all ok then i would as said hack loads-it's what we do with our lazies and just now and then in school for short,productive bursts! Hope you get him back to his former! ;D
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Post by chelle29 on Apr 14, 2010 19:30:38 GMT
we have a section c 4 yr old that is like this and always has been. took him to a show 3 weeks ago and the judge commented that he was a lovely pony but needed some umph. my niece was **ackered wen she came out the ring. we dont have a school at home so he gets lots of hacking out some days in the fields and some doing road work .
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Post by fayeandash on Apr 14, 2010 19:33:01 GMT
Thinks she means she used to have a show pony that was forward going and now she has a lazy m&m, although i could be completely wrong
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Post by audra on Apr 14, 2010 20:30:43 GMT
hunt him defo.. that will get the bugger going ha ha xx
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Post by showingforfun on Apr 14, 2010 21:13:31 GMT
Fayeandash you are right. We had a forward going show pony that didn't need a lot of leg and now we have a lazy m&m that does need lots of leg. We will get there with him it's just that jockey is still recovering from major surgery last year and is not yet back to full fitness and her legs tire quite quickly.
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Post by sageandonion on Apr 15, 2010 7:21:40 GMT
Oh I see what you mean. However, M&Ms shouldn't be lazy, mine are totally off the leg and in front a lot of the time. The difference is M&Ms will (generally) do as little as possible. Getting them to do more does not involve lots of leg, in fact that is disaster because leg doesn't bother them and they ignore more and more. So then you get the spurs out and they work for a few sessions and they they get ignored too.
All of this rider physical activity ruins the position (not to mention the pleasure) and having an ineffective seat adds to the laziness. I know exactly what you are talking about and I have gone from needing my inhalor through puffing and panting to saying "steady" to my new forest mare. This done in the space of two schooling sessions by a new trainer, followed by two riding lessons for myself.
You really need to get a good trainer.
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Post by boreatton on Apr 15, 2010 12:28:15 GMT
red cell vitamin supplement
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Post by chloe2 on Apr 15, 2010 22:39:49 GMT
yes used red cell on my lazy C - it was really good, however I think I need more as he is getting lazy again.
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Post by bonnielady on Apr 16, 2010 8:03:07 GMT
Sageandonion what you say sounds sooo familiar. Does anyone know of a good trainer in the south west? We have an incredibly lazy sec. A. He just plants himself as soon as it looks like he is going to be schooled. Canter is definatly a no go. Poles don't do a thing for him. Done loads of hacking and fun rides.Can't seem t get him going,whitch is great for my nervous daughter. But now she really does want to try canter!!! ;D
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Post by sarahp on Apr 16, 2010 9:32:45 GMT
My first thought would be to make sure he has all necessary micronutrients by feeding a balancer - if you don't already maybe reducing his feed has reduced something he needs. Second thought is (why do I always agree with S & O?) that he has learned to be dead to the leg, which should be corrected. I was taught give a light aid - if no response a good PC kick - if still no response a wack with the stick, with praise given at whatever stage you get a response, until he learns to move on to the light aid. One of my pet hates (I don't judge, so all safe here!) is riders that kick every other stride of trot as they sit down, ponies should continue doing what they are doing until told to do something different, not need constant kicking to just keep going.
And work in a manege is very boring, schooling on hacks works fine and is more interesting to them.
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Post by showingforfun on Apr 16, 2010 21:31:41 GMT
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