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Post by specialboy on Apr 13, 2010 10:07:31 GMT
i have just got a sectiong b gelding a few weeks ago, and he was in a wilkie snaffle which didnt help his problem of over bending, i do try to be as light as possible in my hands, he is a bit fidgity with his head at times until worked in. everything has been checked, he is fine, but he just over bends which marked me down in my mnm class the other week, the judge told me to get something with a port in.. but some people say they use ports to bring them down rather than up, it just looks like a fake outline and you can see it in his neck when your on, i ave got him a magic bit and been riding in that, it seems to help but i want a seperate bit to show him in.. he has a lovely mouth so dont want to ruin it, basically i would like a bit for on the flat and showing... any suggestions?? xxx
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Post by sageandonion on Apr 13, 2010 11:43:57 GMT
oooooooh, that is exactly why I HATE wilkie bits, they are fabulous at creating false outline, chopping the horse off just behind the poll, producing leaning, fear of the contact, or as you have found, overbending.
Your little pony will probably have never worked from behind and will not have the correct muscle to do so. It is trial and error to find what works for your own pony but this is what I would do:
Purchase a nice little snaffle bit with a lozenge, either KK or neusche schule. Do lots of transitions whilst schooling without too much contact and actually incorporate jumping as a form of schooling. Lunge off a head collar or cavison.
Avoid ported bits at all costs.
If your wilkie is a Flyde, put it on ebay as there will be queues of people wanting to buy it as it pulls the head in.
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Post by Milliesmum on Apr 13, 2010 12:40:10 GMT
My absolute pet hate is overbent ponies. Would much rather see a pony moving freely forwards with it's nose poking out a little.
Once you have got him going forwards without overbending, if you incorporate lots of half halts and transitions into your schooling the back end will engage and the front end will come down naturally.
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Post by specialboy on Apr 13, 2010 16:06:40 GMT
thanks alot!! he came withthe wilkie and to be honest i do like them at times as its really good for my fell type chunky pony, but as you say for some FAKENESS! he does move really forward just does over bend, hes not as bad recently since i switched to the magic suprisingly, as i have has hardly any contact... should i try a pessoa maybe? people say longreining but i tried this lastnight and he did it more... i am affraid i dont know what a lozenge is... im not very good with bits!! would a normal small egbutt jointed help? xx
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Post by fox111 on Apr 13, 2010 16:24:11 GMT
its a jointed with a bubble in the middle, i use neue schule or a myler pessoa is good if working long and low....sage n onion got the idea!!
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Post by specialboy on Apr 13, 2010 16:34:57 GMT
thanks alot will look for them!! is it just a snaffle then i need? what about something for shows, i would like a pelham, what is the best do you think and the weakest, and does anybody know where you get this latex from for the bits?x
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Post by giggs on Apr 13, 2010 21:19:47 GMT
You can by the latex from most equestrian shops, might be better known as bit wrap (just bought some myself from Robinsons)
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Post by specialboy on Apr 13, 2010 22:46:00 GMT
oh right didnt know that!! thanks!
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Post by foster on Apr 14, 2010 7:35:44 GMT
i have the same problem with my daughters b!! he even walks round the field while grazing overbent!!! i lunge in a head collar and this brings him up a bit and my daughter has very light hands and rides with a loose rein, i have found the myler pehlam to be the best so far,,,,,the one with the port in def lifts him up but they only start in a 5 inch and he`s a 4 1/2 inch so i`m useing the one with a tiny port in, every now and again i borrow the 5 inch one off our instructor and lift him up again,,,,,,i`m the opposite and need a bit for at home xxxx
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Post by sageandonion on Apr 14, 2010 7:59:50 GMT
I would not use a pelham in any form or fashion for even a short period of time until this problem is corrected. As MM says poking noses are easy, once you have overbending your opportunity for correction is limited before it becomes a confirmed problem. And it is a massive problem looking very ugly and showing an uncomfortable problem. You should use a simple snaffle with little contact until the pony is moving in balance naturally.
Longreining is out and, as I said, so long as your pony is under control lunging should be off a headcollar.
Google KK or neule schule and you will see what lozenge bits are.
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Post by specialboy on Apr 14, 2010 8:09:07 GMT
thankyouuu!! xx
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Post by foster on Apr 14, 2010 8:40:57 GMT
remember.......any bit is as strong as you make it!! most people i know use a a pehlam for open classes and ride off the top rein only with a loose curb xxx
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Post by specialboy on Apr 14, 2010 8:49:25 GMT
thats what i think to be honest and i do really want to show him in a pelham, i only do one ridden class anyway and 2 shows a month! and i am not heavy handed. but i just dont know which pelham to use! he is getting loads better with his overbending i think its just in his wilkie, and i dont think he has always been ridden in it, as this magic bit seems to be working.. but i need to pop to the shop! i would like just a little french link or jointed small eggbutt , thinking about it, i dont want to put a bit in himthat stops him doing it i would rather do it natrually which we seem to be getting there with the light contact and the jumping:) xxxx
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Post by heritageponies on Apr 16, 2010 8:22:13 GMT
my little mare overbent often in many pelhams then we bought her a nue schule waterford pelham ,, because it is a waterford and the mouth peice collapses they have nothing to lean on as she was cheeky if she didnt overbend she would attempt to lean .. worked a treat for us x
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Post by specialboy on Apr 16, 2010 8:39:22 GMT
thats great! he ony seems to over bend in the wilkie i have found, so i dont think he has always done this thank god! he doesnt lean he is very light in my hands, think he has had his head strapped in!xx
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Post by sarahp on Apr 16, 2010 9:16:13 GMT
I don't think any bit would actively stop him overbending as such, but stopping using one that is causing it sounds good to me. More a question of schooling to work from behind, go forward and take the contact rather than ducking behind it with chin on chest, which can be dangerous as basically you then have no way of communicating with the front end!
S & O has said it all really on the schooling front, I'll just say ditto!
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Post by ymj on Apr 16, 2010 18:54:13 GMT
i would definitely say try a neue schule bit and see what happens i ride mine in them and they never really overbend.
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Post by specialboy on Apr 17, 2010 12:32:33 GMT
magic bit working great! tried a little pelham with lozenge in he loves it,gunna try him in ring with that, was just the wilkie he was doing it in.. thanks for all your help xxx
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Post by sarahp on Apr 18, 2010 6:25:50 GMT
Hurrah! Glad you have it sorted before it became a major problem and he did it in all bits.
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Post by specialboy on Apr 18, 2010 8:58:44 GMT
i know thankfully was just the wilkie ! i only rode him in it until i bought him a new one its really not the bit for him! thanks for all help xx
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Post by lips36 on May 6, 2010 8:31:54 GMT
I have had the same problem but my mare went reallt pottery and would not go forward, i only tried the bit twice but its created a problem i have put a snaffle back in and long lining to try and push her forward it sent me nearly a yr back after trying something which i wish ihadnt i had to agree i am doing loads of transistion and she is being long lined and lunged ywice a week and im having lessons every week as i know ive created the problem so i have to pay for it now.
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