How much????

[nj]

Just wandering if some of you on here could tell me what is a reasonable price to ask for springer spaniel x cavalier king charles puppies. Bless them they are only a day old at the moment so hopefully will put an advert on here in a few weeks ;D Mum is liver and white (springer) and father is black and tan (cavalier) at the moment there are 2black puppies with a little tiny stipre of white, and all the others are black and white!!!

Thanks in advance ;D

[dazycutter]

nj thats a hard one as they are not pedigree but cross breds. They sound adorable though and I think you could reasonably ask £100 each. The problem is you can pick up x bred puppies for next to nothing in the animal shelters... good luck.. can we have some pics please..

[soph44]

nothing.

they are crossbreeds you could pick up in the paper for free

why breed them? if you were crossing a working dog then its more understandable - but cav's in particular have horrendous hereditary problems -

Heart mitral valve disease (affects over half ofcavs)

and

Syringomyelia - which is a very distressing problem (google it)

to put that with a springer.... thats prone to elbow problems and HD....

just so you know what you have bred.

[Milliesmum]

Point 1 - yes you can pick up a crossbreed puppy at a rescue centre. But how would you know what cross you were getting, how big it was likely to grow, what temperament it might have? At least with these you would have a rough idea of the above, knowing the parents.

Point 2 - soph44 you are assuming that the parents have not been health screened and bred responsibly - both parents could well be healthy dogs that do not suffer the heriditary conditions. So you cannot assume that these puppies will suffer the problems you mention. And by the same token, any crossbreed you pick up in the paper may well have similar problems.

Have you ever thought that nj perhaps would like to ask a token amount for the puppies to try and ensure that any potential purchasers actually might be financially responsible enough to look after them properly? Rather than any Tom D!ck or Harry turning up for a puppy because it seemed like a good idea at the time, and after all it's free?

[nj]

Thank you to the other two very helpful post that was replied, very kind of you, to the GUEST!!! well I find you very offensive and obviously don't know what you are talking about, but hey what do you expect from a guest!!

First of all for the Guest (don't now why I am bothering justifying myself!) the springer spaniel is a fully working gundog and very successfull breeding.
The cavalier who is the father is not a King charles cavalier which do have hereditary problems of the sort that you are implying, yes ofcourse all breeds have their problems, I got the cavalier and the springer spaniel fully vetted for all hereditary problems (which they didn't have in the first place) but did another vetting before breeding just to make sure.

Both dogs are fully working dogs ;Dso is the cavalier believe it or not and it was suggested by the very high class shoot that both dogs work at that they were to have puppies, and have done this and it has been successfull.

I personally wouldn't ask for anything for them, but as suggested by milliesmum, yes I don't want them to go to any old home where, when puppies are free!!!! you just don't know what kind of a home they will go to, three are already sold to the shoot members.

I suggest Guest, that you ask for more information before throwing accusations and tarnashing someone straight away as you have done. We don't breed puppies, this is a one off litter, but I personally don't care what you think Guest.

Thankx for the other advice guys ;D ;D xxxx

[nj]

Just forgot to say sorry to other Guests on here, don't personally mean every guest that come on here, it just seems that any vindictivness seems to come from a person hiding but other guests please don't take it personally

[dazycutter]

Nj. I agree With mm. You need to charge for these pups. Hard to value but you want owners who are prepared to care for them. The point the guest made about charging nothing is unrealistic as 99 percent of shelters charge for rescue dogs to cover neutering etc. I am sure you will find super homes for these little pups Good luck :-)

[kayjayem]

Well I would be very interested in one of your puppies. I have a standard poodle at the moment and have always had 2 dogs but my last standard went to heaven in Sept last year and I am still holding fire before I get a 2nd dog. I have always had big puddles but I had a spaniel cross years ago who was my best friend for nearly 18yrs and I would without doubt pay a reasonable amount for a spaniel cross pup which I new it's breeding and could predict what it would turn out like as opposed to a x bred from a rescue centre of unknown breeding which could end up a donkey or a dwarf, a dope or a demon!

[jasper1]

I think that you will soon find fab homes, especially from the spaniel brigade. I cannot belive "guests" post, some people allways seem to assume that all dogs have hereiditry problems, bet they turn ot to be really great dogs. Good luck!

[nj]

;D ;DThank you guys for all your kind comments, we love our dogs and they want for nothing, like I said we are not breeders, and have never had pups before, allthough we have another 3 dogs, who we love.

When they get too around 2wks old, I will definately post piccies up for you all that are interested. I must say that both mother and father have the best temperment ever, never bitten, never been crancky, and they work to please everyone, the spaniel is one of the best working dogs they have at the shoot.
Thanks guys ;D

[Guesting]

Could you tell me what health checks have the parents had and do you have certificates to that effect?

[Milliesmum]

Why guesting, are you interested in purchasing one?

Probably not.

That is a question which a potential purchaser has every right to ask, but, to be quite frank, it's no one elses business.

[kayjayem]

Apr 16, 2010 22:41:05 GMT @soph44 said:

nothing.

they are crossbreeds you could pick up in the paper for free

why breed them? if you were crossing a working dog then its more understandable - but cav's in particular have horrendous hereditary problems -

Heart mitral valve disease (affects over half ofcavs)

and

Syringomyelia - which is a very distressing problem (google it)

to put that with a springer.... thats prone to elbow problems and HD....

just so you know what you have bred.

Surely with all these horrendous congenital problems it is better to cross breed then they will have a chance to "breed out" the problem. It makes you wonder why anyone would buy a pure bred with all this scaremongering.

[vet nurse]

Surely with all these horrendous congenital problems it is better to cross breed then they will have a chance to "breed out" the problem. It makes you wonder why anyone would buy a pure bred with all this scaremongering.[/quote]

i was just about to write the same thing!

pictures would be lovely by the way!

[dazycutter]

now come on... dont diss the pure breds... LOL... I health check all of mine for every possible breed trait before I even consider breeding... :-) :-) :-)

[suzee]

Good on you dazycutter, vetnurse how is it supposed to improve health problems by crossing 2 breeds badly affected with health problems unless both parents are screened clear
of defects

[vet nurse]

well obviously you dont breed from animals with known inherited problems but what i think kayjayem was saying and what i agree with is that yes pure breeds are worth more money but that doesnt mean to say cross breeds are worth nothing as someone suggested as they are less likely to have certain breed traits. for example i would class the squashed in face of a bull dog as an unwanted health trait so if you crossed this with a dog with a longer muzzle you can produce a better specimen. surely in that instance the health of a bull dog cross is better than a pure bred bull dog?!!!! but yes, to breed from a dog that has an inherited problem with another breed may not completely eliminate the problem but in some cases it can really improve it and at the end of the day to produce something that is an improvement is a good thing. ( and please dont think by this i mean that everyone should start cross breeding as in my opinion everything should be neutered after the idiots i see that breed or buy puppes! if only there were laws on who could breed and who could buy!)

[vet nurse]

and this guest saying that ckcs have syringiomyelia should get her facts right as you would be more accurate if you assumed a dog didnt have it, its not as common as people think! but with it being highlighted on tv, it has given that impression.

i have seen a cross of this sort and it was a stunning little dog with a fab nature and has yet to have a days sickness, so i would much rather pay money for that than for one of the many pure breeds that you cannot say the same for! thats not a dig at you suzee, i just happen to like cross breeds!! alot!! and yes it is good on dazycutter, responsible breeders like that are few and far between these days

[dazycutter]

think this post is fast becoming like another about the merits of breeding pedigree or non pedigree.. All this original thread asked was how much are they worth..

I think we are all of the opinion that cross breeds are worth paying for as the same care and attention is still taken in rearing these puppies as it is in pedigree's. The Mother still needs good feeding, the puppies still need proper care and feeding/worming etc..

They may not fetch the money that pedigree's fetch, but that doesn't make them less valuable/loved/wanted...
;D

[suzee]

Did not take any offence vetnurse,when we were breeding and showing/working our dogs,
all were KC/BVA health tested wether they were bred from or not so we knew what we were producing ,alongside and equally as important good temperament,my concern is that
so many crosses are being bred because they are cute and with no thought for their futures.

[pennypoo]

back to the original thread.................... i would be happy to pay around £150 for one of your puppies if i was loking for one!!!!!! if both parents full pedigree which i'm sure they wil be
please dont give them away - they may not go to good homes, but i'm sure you know what you are doing xxxx pics would be lovely to see xxxx

[sarah00000]

I think there has been a growing market for thoughtfully bred x breeds. They seem to go for around £200 to £250 in Hampshire.

[sarahp]

Our wonderful "accident" dog cost us £50 eight years ago as a 7 week puppy - working farm collie dam met a traveller's saluki lurcher - which of course was not health checked in any way. I looked on this as a contribution to what bringing up the puppies had cost - and probably a conservative one at that. And yes, I second the fact that getting one from a rescue costs too, they may well ask for a donation, when we got our junior dog they did, and we paid for neutering too.

[sometime]

Well just to put the cat amongst the pigeons pure bred crosses that is a cross between two pure breds are classed as designer dogs and in fact can and do command high prices some even more than the original pedigree dogs. Labradoodles at over £1000 comes to mind . thingyerpoos about 700 jack daniels 500 so dont think just because they are crossbred they are worthless. You do get hybrid vigour from mixed breeding too so perhaps these pups will be very healthy and most likely be longer lived than the two individula breeds

[stella65]

Dont want to start an argument or offend anyone but i think price should be put to one side and the home be the most important thing here for the pups i am sure the breeder will make sure they get good homes but...
the last poster put that x bred dogs are making high prices yes i agree they are but they are many many dogs on death row that once fetched a gigh price some costing there new owners thousands only to be andandoned in a dog pound due to various things relationship break ups - have not been able to house train properly - child has become allergic many many things are used as reasons to adandon there expensive dog in this bad financial climet many thousands of dogs have been given to pounds or rescue centres because they can hardly aford to feed there selfs let alone the family pets

it does annoy me that people think the only dogs that are in rescue or pounds is because they are devil dogs or there is something wrong with them this is far from the truth many have been much loved family members for years and the family has been heart broken to give there dog up yet they can no longer afford them or they have had to move to somewhere that does not allow pets oldies are abandoned when there owners get a newer model even though there is plenty more years left in the old one ive seen this time and time again
this is not a dig at the original poster as i think they will be careful where there pups end up but so many people think they can breed and make tons of money with not a care in the world where or what happens to them

[Milliesmum]

Well, upon taking my c0ckerpoo for her annual vaccinations at the vets, the vet nurse informed me, that despite all the stick I get on here for having a so called 'designer breed', c0ckerpoos are in fact remarkably healthy little dogs! She said the only problem they really see is the occasional blocked anal gland, apart from that nothing!

Oh and incidentally, she didn't cost me anywhere near £700.

[kayjayem]

My original cocker x cost me £2.50 and was my constant companion for 18yrs and never saw the vet apart from spaying and vaccinations.

[bessieboo]

I think what people get upset about is people jumping on the bandwagon, breeding x breeds and then telling everyone they won't have any health problems and charging as much as you would for a well bred pure breed. At the end of the day they are cross breeds, nobody knows what health problems they will have, what temperements, even what they look like. Labaradoodle 'breeders' make a big thing of them not shedding, well that quite simply is not true, yes some take after the poodle side and don't shed and some take after the labrador side and shed like gooduns!!! Apologies if you have health tested your dogs but the majority of people breeding cross breeds don't and I just cannot understand when the rescue centres are over run with dogs and puppies needing homes anybody would even contemplate breeding a litter without doing as much research and health testing as possible, to be fair I don't understand why anybody would purposefully breed a cross breed litter when there will be hundreds of similar types needing homes all over the country but everybody has their own reasons.

I would say about £100 because at the end of the day you still have the same costs of feeding, worming, vet checks as anybody else and at that price it should weed out any undesirables after a free puppy to dump it a week later. I really hope you find all the puppies good homes as I know alot of people are struggling to sell litters that they have even had waiting lsts for at the moment.

[Milliesmum]

I disagree that you won't know what temperament or what your cross breed will look like. If you get a mongrel from a rescue centre, that's quite true as you won't know the parentage or history of a dog, but I bought a first cross between two specific breeds. I knew how big she would grow, what she would look like, and from researching on the internet and meeting adult dogs of the same cross and talking to their owners, I had a very good idea of the expected temperament. Although a lot of the temperament is in how you bring them up, IMO.

A general heinz 57 cross breed is a totally different kettle of fish from a first cross between two pedigree dogs.

[bessieboo]

We will have to agree to disagree on that one! It would be boring if we all had the same views wouldn't it?! But say with your dog (forgive me if I have the wrong cross?) the cocker and the poodle are such different types how on earth could you know which parent yours was going to be like? Do not get me wrong, I am not anti cross breeds at all and think alot of them are very appealing. I just think with all the hundreds of KC registered breeds there are breeds out there to suit everyone which will be health tested(in the majority) without in the current climate adding to more cross breeds. I do agree that alot of the temperement is how they are brought up....most of it but not all.

And at the end of the day regardless of whether it is a heinz 57 or a first cross they are still cross breeds.