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Post by hairyfairypony on May 31, 2010 11:43:05 GMT
I read recently that a competitor got off in the ring during a championship and then remounted and was allowed to continue. I thought that the rules were that once u got off or fell off then u had to leave the ring. Just found this very bizarre!
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Post by sageandonion on May 31, 2010 11:44:36 GMT
Perhaps there was a good reason she had to dismount or maybe the judge asked her to for some reason.
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Post by hairyfairypony on May 31, 2010 11:47:22 GMT
By this competitors own admission, they dismounted of their own accord not by order or permission of the judges. I was merely asking what the rules in this situation are, regardless of the situation.
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Post by 109876 on May 31, 2010 11:58:43 GMT
I also thought that was the rule too - once you dismount you must leave the ring, but we were at a show in the lead rein class, the pony next to us was humping its back and trying to unseat the jockey, the leader got the jockey off and started messing with girth, judge joined in, spent about 5 mins walking pony round and checking it, jockey and saddle put back on and carried on with their show, pony was then placed 3rd, to say i was shocked was an undersatement, judges should read a rule book!!
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Post by Guestless on May 31, 2010 13:17:55 GMT
I guess it depends how the rule is worded and why the person got off in the ring. If someone got off to adjust their numnah, etc then I would probably be annoyed that they hadn't got it right in the first place but not enough to mouth off about it!
We all have to get off if the class is stripped, so it's not as the rule will say we need to stay on our saddles at all times.
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Post by snowflake on May 31, 2010 17:52:09 GMT
If the pony was trying to unseat the pony - then surely it shouldn't be 3rd if it was the saddle or not? Our pony's saddle was too tight at home once but she didn't respond in that way she just kept looking at it!!
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Post by norwalk on May 31, 2010 18:18:17 GMT
I'm not sure either, without getting rulebooks out, but is this not more of a "health and safety issue" where they do not want unseated jockeys to remount after a fall? (Must admit I find that one difficlut, having been brought up in the "get straight back on" era - nothing's more embarassing (especially for the little riders) than that mile long walk out of the ring with everyone lookning at you....... (But I appreciate we live ina H&S world!)
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Post by bumblebeexx on May 31, 2010 18:56:18 GMT
If it was run under bsps rules if you dismount at any time you are eliminated and must leave the ring I only know this as I once dismounted in intermediate class as horse got tongue over bit and was kicked out straight away {GUTTED} wont be doing that again
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Post by sg on May 31, 2010 22:46:13 GMT
Yup I know I read about a little boy who couldn't get his girth tightened; jumped off and that was it - straight out
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Post by lauren821 on Jun 1, 2010 9:33:31 GMT
I was unsure about this rule (and still am!. dropped my cane (twice :$ my gloves were sweaty is my excuse!) and didnt want to jump off to get it incase i was kicked out. just caught the stweards attention and asked her to pick it up for me.
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Post by network on Jun 1, 2010 10:32:16 GMT
I have watched LR classes where the jockeys have got off to go to the loo and then remount and carry on
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Post by Guestless on Jun 1, 2010 11:37:11 GMT
I think it is a bit much if you are asked to leave the ring cos you get off to retrieve something you have dropped......my novice was 3rd on Saturday and the rider in 2nd got off to pick up her cane - maybe I should have complained I'm not commenting on any of you who have posted, but it does seem that some people are determined to be up the line regardless of what they have to do to get there - I wouldn't have felt in any way happier if my pony had been moved up and the other one asked to leave. My mare just needs to do a better show the next time
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Post by hairyfairypony on Jun 1, 2010 12:53:59 GMT
My point was that regardless of the reason for dismounting and remounting- the rules are the rules. In this particular case in a championship aswell! I bet the other competitors are a bit cheesed off! Also, I wonder if an amateur had done the same thing, would they have got away with it- or been kicked out, as should happen? If you get off by your own choice and not been told by the judges, then you should bear the consequences. The person in question is a panel judge and should be aware of the rules themselves anyway. I am more than certain that if I did the same thing at my next show, I would be asked to leave straight away! Surely the rules are there for everyone to adhere to, no matter who you are or what your status is. It should be a level playing field for all amateurs and pros alike. Infact, the pros should be seen to be whiter than white, in order to set a good example for the rest of us.
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Post by sageandonion on Jun 1, 2010 13:00:30 GMT
Why ever is that such a rule anyway? Does it matter, there are far worse things like a child wetting their expensive new suede saddle!
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Post by network on Jun 1, 2010 13:06:32 GMT
Why ever is that such a rule anyway? Does it matter, there are far worse things like a child wetting their expensive new suede saddle!
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Post by hairyfairypony on Jun 1, 2010 13:06:52 GMT
I think if we said; 'it doesn't matter' to all of the rules that a society lays down, then what is the point? It's like saying your horse has to be a certain height for a class and it's not got a certificate, and everyone says; 'does it really matter!' There would be no structure or point to showing whatsoever. Think it's a bit flippant to say it doesn't really matter! The rules are there for a reason, so that there is a level playing field and people don't cheat or abuse the system.
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Post by sageandonion on Jun 1, 2010 13:09:37 GMT
But what IS the reason?
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Post by Guestless on Jun 1, 2010 13:50:44 GMT
The rules are there for a reason, but many of them are open to interpretation. If you are saying someone got off during a championship to do something like pick up a cane (would feel differently if the rider got off because pony was misbehaving) and you are pi**ed off that they still got placed, then I think that is a rather sad. Surely a championship should be awarded based on which pony is the best in the ring and not whether the rider got off or not! To my mind, the rule is based on health and safety and is to do with falling off more than voluntarily dismounting. Yes, rules are rules, but a lot of them are rubbish IMO, eg the rule that you can show at HOYS one year with a young pony, then carry on doing heritage novices the next - not all rules are "good" rules IMO and I therefore have no issue with turning a blind eye to minor indiscretions......I want my pony to WIN and not get handed a championship because of a blip like someone dismounting!
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Post by hairyfairypony on Jun 1, 2010 14:01:50 GMT
But, to be a member of a society you have to accept the rules that are in place. If you don't like the rules, then don't pay membership to be in that society. As a member you are entitled to have your say, and go along to the meetings and state your causeand if necessary new rules or ammendments to rules can be made in a democratic and fair way. But we must adhere to the rules. We can't have individuals making their own rules up as they go along. As paying members of a society, you expect others to act as you do, and be disciplined accordingly if rules are broken. It's like saying there are some silly laws in this country- but we still have to be law abiding, or face consequences. I wasn't in the class in question, i read it in a show report in H&H, but I do think that the rules should not open to interpretation. It should be black and white. What is the point of a society with no rules and regulations- it would be a shambles! The people to blame on that day are the officials, who allowed this to happen.
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Post by snowflake on Jun 1, 2010 14:05:21 GMT
Desktop I am guilty of that when I was younger in a class of 40 lol so I shouldn't speak really!! hehe lol!
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Post by lauren821 on Jun 1, 2010 14:11:20 GMT
if you hop off to retrieve something (cane springs to mind) then theres no problem.
if you jump off because your pony is going to explode thats a whole different kettle of fish and you shouldnt be allowed to remount and carry on.
if a lead rein jockey has to get off and wee, thats also fine- we need to encourage young kids whats worse than having to sit up straight and smile in a hot itchy jacket when you need to pee aswell!
and of course, any unplanned dismounts shouldnt be allowed to carry on either.
its the same as home produced, people will always play the game. if you are really that bothered, put your money where your mouth is and put in a formal complaint if that one place higher matters so much.
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Post by Guestless on Jun 1, 2010 14:21:29 GMT
As a member you are entitled to have your say, and go along to the meetings and state your causeand if necessary new rules or ammendments to rules can be made in a democratic and fair way. oh I get it, you mean like the way NPS asked members to vote on the rule about riders at Olympia and then revoked the rule the year it was implemented! I take it you never, ever break the law either, eg always stick at the speed limit?
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Post by hairyfairypony on Jun 1, 2010 14:38:54 GMT
I can honestly say that I don't break the rules in showing (not inintentionally anyway). I think the sport does need clearing up and more integrity needs to be shown. I just don't think that there should be blatant disregard for the rules. I don't think there is anything wrong in trying to be law abiding in my everyday life and in my hobby of showing! As for your dislike of your CHOSEN society. If you don't like the rules and what they stand for, then why do you pay to be a member and participate? Why don't you go to the meetings and complain in the correct way and throught the correct channels. If there are enough members who feel the same as you, then why not boycott he society. They would have to listen to you then, as they would have no society. Surely if the rules are that bad then the majority will think the same as you, and something can be done. I am not suggesting that anybody should shut up and put up. But there are ways and means of making changes. If you are not happy with your society and it's rules, then you and it's members should form an action group and make changes. Otherwise, why pay for something that you are not happy with? Perhaps you could be the voice for the other mebers who feel the same, and you could champion their cause?
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Post by hairyfairypony on Jun 1, 2010 14:44:10 GMT
Oh and to answer your question- 'do I stick to the speed limit'? The answer is yes, as a member of my family was terribly hurt through a speeding drink driver. Therefore, some rules are VERY important! As for kids need ing the loo, I don't think anyone would want to see a child in difficulty in that way! My story was related to an adult showing class.
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Post by Guestless on Jun 1, 2010 14:55:17 GMT
The only rule I commented on not liking was the BSPS heritage rule - and I'm not a BSPS member so I don't pay to be a member!
You really do seem to have a bee in your bonnet about this one though so I think I shall agree to disagree and leave it at that.
One last comment though that you have totally taken my comment about the speed limit out of context. I was NOT talking about drink driving, which is something I never, ever do - I don't even have a sip of alcohol if I am driving. I do however, on the odd occasion, find myself going a little of the speed limit on quiet non-residential roads. If you don't then that's great, but I am sure you are in the minority. It must be wonderful to be such a paragon of virtue.
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Post by Milliesmum on Jun 1, 2010 16:35:48 GMT
I totally agree with GL. Win because you are the best, not because someone above you in the line made a minor mistake. It does make me cross when people suggest that the judges will overlook stuff if it's a pro. For goodness sake, there's probably a good reason the pro was above you in the line - up your game and beat them on merit, it can be done!
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Post by network on Jun 1, 2010 17:10:01 GMT
Desktop I am guilty of that when I was younger in a class of 40 lol so I shouldn't speak really!! hehe lol! LOL at least you didnt pee on your nice clean saddle
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Post by Coco7 NLI on Jun 1, 2010 18:18:59 GMT
I am going to take a wild guess and say you are talking about a hunter championship.
So everyone is is clear if this is what the person is referring to, it was a championship where a horse suddenly stopped and the indication from the side of the ring was that it became unlevel or had suddenly injured/ felt pain and didn't want to proceed forward. The rider got off, groom etc came into the ring to have a look, they walked the horse round and it seemed fine, so rider got back on and judges told her to continue.
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Post by snowflake on Jun 1, 2010 18:21:43 GMT
lol desktop!!! Every one was looking at the mad kid running cross the indoor school!!! hehe... Ponycrazy on here will know what i'm talking about!
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Post by mol123 on Jun 3, 2010 9:45:58 GMT
I'v got off in a championship because I had two ponies in to ride - judge clearly didn't mind as he put one of them ridden champ
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