Photographs on this site

[pencaedu]

Hi

I guess I'm not going to make myself very popular with this thread, but here goes...............

All over this website there are pictures in signatures etc with the copy write symbol all over them.

One would guess that, had you bought the photo, you would have it without this symbol.

Does that therefore mean that many of the photographs are 'stolen' from photographers websites?

As someone who has stood there for hours on end taking photographs, it is infuriating to then see them on peoples facebook pages - and even being used in the forsale sections of websites, when you know very well they haven't bought them.

THIS IS THEFT.

Does this site condone it ??

[Milliesmum]

Actually, the site rules state:

You also agree not to post any copyrighted material unless the copyright is owned by you or you have consent from the owner of the copyrighted material.

Which you all agree to when you join the site.

So actually, no you shouldn't be putting up photographs which you don't own the copyright for. Having said that, I don't know if the mods have the capacity to trawl through every picture sorting out what is copyrighted and what isn't. If you were to see any of your own photos being used you would be quite within your rights to ask people to remove them.

Since you have brought this up I personally shall keep an eye out for such pictures, and drop people a PM to ask if they should be using that picture. In general though, the site can't be held responsible for what people post, and if they find themselves in hot water because of infringing copyright then basically that's their problem.

Maybe people should stop and think before posting.

[bethanyy]

I do agree with what you have posted pencaedu, with regard to using copyright material on this and other forums, for sale ads etc..

however (dont bite my head off!) about the FB comment, surely the majority of people do that because it is their horse and probably would like a copy of the picture? or purely to see what material there is posted on the internet of their animal? and you can make your own profile privacy protected etc.. so people cant take the pictures from your profile?

[B_31]

It would annoy me as a photographer seeing my pictures splashed over websites that i havent given permission for!

unless i have given permission for them to be used and to be credited for. I gave my friends permission as long as my website is on the pictures. mabey not what you would say the dun thing to do however its free advertising for me....! and as long as im credited i dont mind.

[pencaedu]

They copy the pictures from the website & put on facebook. If they want a copy of it for facebook, they can buy it for £3.00!!! - and it won't have a watermark on it. We don't stand there for in excess of 8 hours, on occasions, spend 3-4 hours editing the images ready for the internet, only to find that as soon as they appear on our website, they appear on our 'friends' facebook pages. However, we now have an answer - the ones we have caught doing it do not get any pictures taken of them at future events.

My one camera plus lens cost nearly £2000. I have 2 in case one fails at an event. On top of that, I have fuel to get there & get paid on a %age of sales. Therefore, basically, if you steal my photos, you are stealing the food out of my horses mouths.

[Milliesmum]

Don't get me wrong as I'm 100% with you, but what about the other side of the coin? Actually you assume at shows that people want you to photograph their horse, sometimes with rider, what if a person does not give their consent to be photographed and does not want their horses picture to be displayed on the internet for anyone to view? I mean in theory someone could purchase a picture of a pony that is nothing to do with them, from you and the owner would have no say in the matter?

Just trying to look at it from the other angle!

[pencaedu]

The schedules at shows we photograph say that if people do not want theirs or their childrens photographs taken, then please tell either the photographer or the secretary. No one has ever asked to my knowledge.

The reason we spend so long editing, is so that no 'unflattering' photos go up on the site. Every photograph is viewed individually, with the thought in mind - would I want that picture put up on the site if it was of me? If the answer is yes, then the picture goes on the site.

I don't think anyone has ever asked us to take a photograph off the site - but we would if we were asked.

[Milliesmum]

Hmm, the reason I asked is that I work in a school and I do know of an incident where a child who was new to the area was pictured in a school photo in the local press. What wasn't apparent was that they were actually fleeing a violent relationship. The father actually saw the picture, traced the school from the uniform and took the child from school without the mothers consent. What you have said about requesting not to be photographed would hopefully work in a similar situation.

[clearshotphotos]

This is interesting the law states that any one can be photographed in a public place if they want to be or not as a photographer dose not need permission in a PUBLIC place but if asked they should stop.
However most shows are on private land and permissions should be sought by the photographer BEFORE starting if he/she is taking photos of the general public (I dont think this applies to people taking pics of their own family ect)
I think a good practice would be when booking into the classes a form should be there to be signed informing people that a photographer is on site taking photos and any person not wanting to be snapped should make themselves known to the photographer. I have never been asked to stop and as for web photos I normally give them free so long as a credit is given me for taking them
Regards Barrie www.clearshot-photos.com

[victoria (highhill)]

I have been wondering lately what the position is with photographers taking pictures of your children without your permission. Personally it doesnt really worry me, BUT I dont think I have signed on an entry form to say I am happy for pictures to be taken and for them then to appear on an open website. These days this could be considered a litle iffy