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Post by hollycane on Jul 11, 2010 17:19:11 GMT
sagey you go girl. metaphorical large G+T sent your way dahling ;-) wrongagain you have sailed into the wind and far wide of the point. The "3 wins at county" the day before a SFAS qualification round are not really in the spirit of the competition of SFAS itself. Win all you like in 30 degree heat, rock hard ground etc. but don't then poo poo the SFAS competition that is not aimed at your ilk.
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Post by sageandonion on Jul 11, 2010 18:42:24 GMT
I was not being insulting, I was being frank, had I said what I really think, yes that might have been rude so I restrained myself. I have sound, happy horses and lots of rossettes so don't need to chase more. Mine have been to HOYS so no way would I be trying to sneak them through SFAS.
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Post by No Longer Bothered on Jul 11, 2010 19:03:05 GMT
The lady that won the Racehorse today produced a horse for the judge in 2007. I know this isn't against the rules , because there aren't any rules, but it doesn't look good does it?
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Post by gypsy1 on Jul 11, 2010 19:29:53 GMT
My friend won the Riding club/ridden show horse today at wellington and 4th in the workers . Was 3rd at the Vale view qualifier and had postive and informative comments from the ride judge . Great classes with a chance fro everyone ..
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Post by knight on Jul 11, 2010 20:32:44 GMT
The lady that won the Racehorse today produced a horse for the judge in 2007. I know this isn't against the rules , because there aren't any rules, but it doesn't look good does it? Hmmmm I give up too. I am pretty sure that all of the qualified racehorses (bar one) ridden by producers. Even the top 6s have only been peppered with Ams. I am afraid I have no idea what the judges are looking for in these classes.
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Post by Thinking on Jul 11, 2010 20:48:39 GMT
In the Racehorse class they are supposed to judge it like a normal showing class, looking for the same things. Each horse is to be judged on it's way of going, manners, conformation etc ... and they are to be turned out and judged as to what "normal" class you would put them in, hunters, hacks, RH's.
I have no qualms about producers doing these classes as at the end of the day they still have to turn a Racehorse into a Show Horse and they start out with the same sort of animal as everyone else. I am glad they have tightened the rules up so that only horses that have actually raced to can enter after the fiasco a few years back.
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Post by I tried it on Jul 11, 2010 23:34:41 GMT
I tried it guest. I am so pleased you haven't come on as a member name as, frankly, you are the epitomy of the type of 'showing' person I detest and this would have clouded any other posts you would make for me. Three wins at County the day before and then you drag your horse to SFAS, no wonder the poor thing is lame. AAhh, but Badgeworth was not the same week as "County" show, so, you are wrong!!!!! I said I tried it, as have a lot of people who also do the odd county show, I also said I was happy with the comments I had, DID I NOT??? I also said the comments about a bruised sole were right, Did I Not? ?? What you nasty lot obviously did not see in my statement was that I don't want to chase qualifying around the country AS A LOT AT THE SHOW SEEMED TO BE! I said I was happy with our day at a county show, I also said I was HAPPY WITH COMMENTS from Badgeworth just didn't think it was worth the ££££££'s spent on it and would leave it to the people who wanted to qualify that badly! Don't presume to know me, or dare presume I am one of the people that drag their horses around the country "doing County", that was my 1st and last qualifier, and sageandonion what you don't know is that the comments from the judge gave me the confidence to go to the county show I'd entered so I suggest you don't jump on every comment that is made, cos you sure as hell don't know me or are ever likely to, thank the Lord! Hollycane, yes I agree that this is aimed at "hidden gems" but believe me, these competitors were definately not people (except for the odd one or two in large classes) that are having a go at something they have never tried before, believe me! I know 1 of them had qualified for RI the day before! I had entered for the other SFAS class which was today but tried the county show instead, therefore not dragging "my poor lame horse" around! Oh sageandonion, perhaps you should have a word with the girl that was in my class yesterday who was going to SFAS today, yep 2 shows in 2 days, maybe that's why mine has hardly done anything on grass for weeks because I refused to run on hard going??? AGAIN, don't jump and presume you know EVERYTHING! Oh and congrats to those that qualified today, well done. Oh forgot to say, sadly, I'm not a member, guess why? ?? I don't own a computer!!!! Yep, I'm in work!
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Post by oliviabethany on Jul 12, 2010 0:12:02 GMT
i really like the idea of SFAS my friend qualified last month on a gelding she has owned from a yearling that was bought from a local auction, a true home produced, and a girl on my yard has qualified for this class on a pony who has never done more that local level! its a shame to hear that there are horses/pony's qualifing that have qualified for ri hoys olympia etc but hopefully theres more amatures like the ones i have seen/know going through
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Post by pencaedu on Jul 12, 2010 0:31:38 GMT
Pay attention folks - if you have to be so nasty, read the post properly first - the guest went to Badgeworth - which was LAST WEEKEND (4th July) - the county wins were 10th July.
I think perhaps an apology wouldn't go amiss
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Post by sageandonion on Jul 12, 2010 7:37:49 GMT
Now let me just make sure I am getting this right? do you want us to apologise to someone who is pushing the rules to the limit?
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Post by smokey on Jul 12, 2010 7:48:11 GMT
Why is she pushing the rules to the limit?
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Post by wrongagain on Jul 12, 2010 7:57:28 GMT
Im with Smokey why is she pushing rules? Can someone not try their luck at county shows as well as SFAS? The horse is not to have been to hoys etc, doesnt mean it cant win a class at any other show, or did i get that wrong? Do they just have to stick to SFAS that season, or, better still, should they take their horses to a local level show, therefore being accused of pothunting instead?
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Post by pencaedu on Jul 12, 2010 7:58:04 GMT
S&O - why is SFAS 'sneaking' them to HOYS - she has broken no rules that I am aware of and Hollycane "The "3 wins at county" the day before a SFAS qualification round are not really in the spirit of the competition of SFAS itself. Win all you like in 30 degree heat, rock hard ground etc. but don't then poo poo the SFAS competition that is not aimed at your ilk. " Learn to read BEFORE you condemn - the three wins were the weekend AFTER.
I appreciate a lot of you seem to like nothing more than an excuse for a good argument - but perhaps if you actually READ what people write, you might save a lot of the arguments & yes, I do think you should appologise to the guest - for basically suggesting that she didn't give a F*** for the welfare of the horse. As someone else said - do we ban all 2 day shows on welfare grounds?
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Post by guest878 on Jul 12, 2010 8:29:12 GMT
I went to watch the Badgworth SFAS as we live not far from the showground. I am sorry but I was shocked at the poor standard. Horses with poor conformation, ridden badly and with confused turnout. I know the idea is that you get feedback, but there were soo many entries the poor judges would have been there days if they had given everyone the feedback they required. There were a few who obviously knew what they were doing but many who had no idea. There isn't a lot you can do if you own a horse with poor conformation but many had made no effort to know the correct turnout. If you paid so much to enter why not get a couple of books on showing or better still go and watch an open HOYs qualifier. There isn't any excuse for hunters with plaited tails and blingy browbands. There were a few hairy moments in the go rounds and I think the judges were very brave to get on some of the horses. You couldn't help but wonder how these owners expect their horses to cope with HOYs? As for saying if you compete sucessfully at county level you somehow are too good for SFAS, I would say you shouldn't really be attempting to qualify for HOYs unless you can get reasonable results at county level.
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Post by jadey1990 on Jul 12, 2010 11:37:21 GMT
I dont see why the guest is pushing the rules either. at the end of the day everyone has an opinion, some people will like this type of show, others wont. If you didnt like it dont go again, try something else. You can never please everyone and there will always be some people who arent happy with certain results. Thats showing guys!! isnt that why we love it
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Post by pencaedu on Jul 12, 2010 18:24:59 GMT
[glow=red,2,300]I still think an apology is due [/glow]- have the good grace to do so please S & O and Hollycane - oh yes, just a little point - I though that SFAS was indoors on a surface? So that wasn't hammering on hard ground, was it?
I think some of you see what you want to see rather than reading what is posted
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Post by wrongagain on Jul 12, 2010 18:39:49 GMT
I fully agree with the above! People are quite happy to jump down people's throats, but not to apologise when they get it wrong, again!
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Post by janeh50 on Jul 12, 2010 20:55:24 GMT
Sorry I am going to put my 2 peneth in now and you can qualify for hoys as long as your SFAS class is before the open class so those of us with hunters are unable to qualify as the open hunters are on a wednesday and the SFAS hunters are on a friday but I had a friend who qualified her riding horse in SFAS and then towards the end of the season she qualified it and the open riding horse class is at the weekend at hoys so she was able to do her SFAS class and then the open riding horse class and this is not breaking the rules or cheating or going through the back door why dont people read the rules before commenting they are on the SFAS web site as well as the correct dress for each class I also agree people should read before coming on here and making comments this is a general statement about HG and not aimed at anyone good luck and enjoy your hoys experience those people that have been lucky enough to qualify
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Post by hollycane on Jul 12, 2010 22:42:09 GMT
Quote "We were due to go today but 3 wins at county yesterday and we are staying in bed today! "
Not sure which bit of that I got wrong? Isn't today after yesterday? i.e 3 county wins the day before a SFAS qualifier. All I said was SFAS is not aimed at folks who are good enough to get 3 wins at county shows. I also don't agree with anyone dragging animals from show to show in 30 degree heat, SFAS/HOYS/RIHS qualifiers or anything. SFAS is aimed originally at non showing folks who want to have a go at getting to HOYS. It just ain't like that anymore.
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Post by wrongagain on Jul 13, 2010 6:29:38 GMT
As far as im aware, sfas, was started, not for "people who dont usually show" as you put it, Hollycane, its to find the equine stars of the future. People who do not show, can you imagine, going into the sfas and not having a single clue about showing! Disasterous! It was never aimed, at non showing folk!
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Post by pencaedu on Jul 13, 2010 7:48:38 GMT
Quote "We were due to go today but 3 wins at county yesterday and we are staying in bed today! " Not sure which bit of that I got wrong? Isn't today after yesterday? i.e 3 county wins the day before a SFAS qualifier. All I said was SFAS is not aimed at folks who are good enough to get 3 wins at county shows. I also don't agree with anyone dragging animals from show to show in 30 degree heat, SFAS/HOYS/RIHS qualifiers or anything. SFAS is aimed originally at non showing folks who want to have a go at getting to HOYS. It just ain't like that anymore. So if she had 3 wins at county yesterday (on the 10th July) and stayed in bed today (11th July) she obviously didn't do SFAS the day after the county show, coz she was in bed. the SFAS she did was the week before at Badgeworth. Do keep up Hollycane
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Post by smokey on Jul 13, 2010 8:01:32 GMT
Quote taken straight from the search for a star website instead of arguing why not go see what standard they want.
"Search for a Star was designed to give amateur riders and owners an opportunity to compete at the prestigious Horse of the Year Show and to identify top class horses and ponies which may otherwise not be given the opportunity to compete at this level. It is however, run by professionals and the standards imposed are identical to those applied to professionals."
So i think that she is eligible to do it she's not a pro!!!! It's there to give people a chance to get to hoys and not compete against all the producers that do it day in day out!!!!!!!
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Post by tj19 on Jul 13, 2010 8:44:37 GMT
[The lady that won the Racehorse today produced a horse for the judge in 2007. I know this isn't against the rules , because there aren't any rules, but it doesn't look good does it?] -sorry I don't know how to get a box around this previously written txt.
Rules actually state that it is run under the general rules of the SHB(GB), BSHA, BSPS unless otherwise stated. Not sure what they all say about it.
Also I think the racehorse should be confined to amateurs - lots of people are given ex racehorses or they buy them cheaply. They often don't have the money to spend to put the horse with a professional. They spend many hours with the horses. I know that some of the ex racehorses are bought specifically to do this class with a professional. There are amateurs out there who are perfectly capable of re-schooling an ex racehorse to hoys standard. If you are a racehorse owner & your horse has won you lots of races I think its your duty to make sure it is looked after when its racing days are over. Many of the ex racehorses belonging to the amateurs are what I class racing chuck outs - either no good problems preventing them racing etc. I think these horses tend to go to amateurs as they are normally cheap or free. I think the classes should be aimed at these. The professionals have all day to school the horses - after all it how they earn a living which is fine but in my humble opinion they have plenty of open classes to contest - with only 12 places on offer at hoys I think it would be nice to leave these to the working rider who spends hours after work with their "reject" (in some cases) racehorse! Failing that why not get the county shows to run classes - same as Hunter Rh etc & have the same number qualify & have prelim & an evening performance section for the racehorses too. After all at every county & even local show I have been to this year has had huge numbers of racehorses - far more than the hunter classes (sorry I don;t watch cobs, RH or hacks so can't comment against their numbers) Think we should ask hoys if they would consider a racehorse section like the other sections -rather than just 12 places at the SFAS qualifiers.
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Post by Guestostar on Jul 13, 2010 9:02:44 GMT
I wouldn't worry-I have found Hollycane quite rude in response to some of my questions or points previously, don't take them too seriously.
Oh and yes, there have been winners that have gone on to be successful. My friend owns Applejack II, still does-he's currently not showing as he's having a break from it all out in the field, he won SFAS class and then got reserve and then went on to qualify for HOYS two years running, LWTs and Ladies. He didn't get placed but he still got there and she had fun :-)
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2010 10:25:56 GMT
I didnt enter my mare for SFAS as felt she was too green. I was told that county horses would be entered and felt that as she isnt ready for county shows, she wouldnt be ready for SFAS.
She has won every single class entered at local level, bar one or two, in her first ever season showing. We started our showing in borrowed jacket, dressage saddle, wrong noseband etc etc and have just learnt along the way, from HG advice on how to improve our look.
Its difficult to say what the rights and wrong are, cos if there are no RULES to say county horses shouldnt be in the class, then I guess they are within their rights to enter? If its not in the spirit of the competition - then maybe it needs to say that on the entry form?
With dressage, when you affiliate, you get points for every win/high score you achieve. The non affiliated classes, then often say For HORSES with 0 BD points only! This stops any confusion or accusations of pot hunting.
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Post by pencaedu on Jul 13, 2010 11:04:04 GMT
surley if you had " 3 wins at county" the day before, you are not elegible for the class? and isnt that a bit tough going 3 wins at county the day before and then straight into a sfas qual the very next day? just my opinion. When i competed in my opinion the best horse won im not going to be bitter about it just because i didnt pick up a qual card.. i would most certainly show there again! nice atmosphere! [glow=red,2,300]PLEASE read the previous posts [/glow]- she quite clearly says that whe went to SFAS @ Badgeworth (4th July), and the county show on (10th July), and that although ENTERED for SFAS on 11th July, she stayed in BED.
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Post by llamedos on Jul 13, 2010 11:37:07 GMT
I have read this, with interest. I can remember a previous thread about SFAS. Also, in that thread Smokey and Pencaedu were very vocal defending a poster. Could this be the same situation, same guest maybe? ?? If this is the case could I point out the animal concerned SHOULDNT even be entering SFAS. Surely as previous national arab champion and already successful show horse, it does slightly taint what SFAS is supposed to be about? I know, it IS an already established show horse, as know previous owners! I dont feel Hollycane or Sageandonion have anything to appologise for. It was clearly posted, by the guest, that it had won at county the DAY BEFORE the sfas. Smokey and pencaedu, you cannot move the goal posts, for your own means. Rules and fairness of entry should be adhered to. Just because the rider maybe young and inexperienced and eligible, it DOESNT mean the animal is.
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Post by victoria (highhill) on Jul 13, 2010 11:47:37 GMT
i dont feel hollycane or sageandonion have anything to apologize for either. I certainly read it that the horse had won a county show before SFAS as well.
llamedos - i think you're right
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Post by sageandonion on Jul 13, 2010 11:49:01 GMT
Well done to your friend gypsy, it is good to hear that the complaints are hopefully confined to one venue and are not prevailing through SFAS.
Incidentally, so this thread can resume on course and not become a bit*h thread, I am not about to apologise, I have my opinion as does hollycane and everyone else and we are all entitled to our opinion whether others like it or not. If you want to keep demanding apologies for opinions start another thread.
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Post by sarahp on Jul 13, 2010 12:28:53 GMT
My daughter had a go at these some years ago with her old coloured horse and found them great, with polite, appropriate and helpful feedback - she only really entered the first one as it was where she kept her horse but did quite well, had another go at Towerlands in two classes and just missed qualification in both. She then went to HOYS to groom for a friend who had qualified her lovely big grey Irish hunter (with plaited tail too I'm afraid - when did that become a no-no?) and had another go much more recently with current horse, when the entrants were more numerous and the standard of horse far higher.
But one point I wanted to make was that while she is pure amateur and always has been she has shown natives all her life so not a total novice - and my other point is that if aiming at these classes, it would surely be good practise for the horse to have done a few showing classes with a ride judge first rather than going in completely cold. These could often be at county or good class shows but the standard and number of entries at these shows can vary too so you could be well placed, especially if you have a horse that gives the ride judge a good ride, when you weren't expecting it. I don't believe either of these situations should dictate that either my daughter or her friend shouldn't have been there.
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