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Post by Southampton on Jul 7, 2010 18:43:44 GMT
How come Adam W's girlfriend won with her Riding Horse at the Badgworth qualifier? Everyone is saying it is kept at his yard.
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Post by armada on Jul 7, 2010 19:07:38 GMT
I'm sure if 'everyone' is prepared to put their money where their mouth is, it will be enquired into.
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Post by bundle on Jul 7, 2010 19:31:57 GMT
Write in and object - don't do nothing and then moan on here.
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Post by hollycane on Jul 7, 2010 21:07:41 GMT
er Hello, girlfriend? if it's really his girlfriend then I'm sure that there will be quite a few people who will be objecting in the correct way as you obviously will.
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Post by Posh on Jul 8, 2010 14:01:28 GMT
its a farce anyway. I went to the 1 at osbaldeston this year. I shant be wasting my money on it again!!!
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Post by janeh50 on Jul 8, 2010 15:38:10 GMT
why is it a farce posh ? please enlighten us !!!!
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Post by mcw on Jul 8, 2010 15:56:03 GMT
Posh, i assume you didn't qualify, i don't think you should say something a farce just because you didn't qualify. it gives a chance for amateur riders to achieve something that they've dreamt of for years, i personally can't say anything is wrong with it, apart from it should have a class for M&M ponies!!
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Post by Fair on Jul 8, 2010 19:18:46 GMT
I not able to compete to compete in this competition, but went to watch. I thought the judging was fair, and the ride judge rode the horses very well.
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Post by posh on Jul 9, 2010 15:59:32 GMT
It was a farce because yes this is supposed to be for amateurs and they are supposed to give you advice and pointers on how youre doing etc.
We didnt get anything not even a comment and the male ride judge was rather rude. The conformation judge didnt watch many horses including mine on the run out.
It is my opinion which I am entitled too and no i didnt qualify but that not why i said it was a farce!
I feel for the money you pay you do not get anything from the whole experience. I had heard good things about the show, people saying that the judges are really good and give you advice on where they think your going right and wrong but as previously said, we didnt get anything.
Therefore my opinion is it is a money making farce and a shant be going again.
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Post by traffik on Jul 9, 2010 16:12:41 GMT
Thats such a shame, you didnt enjoy the class i really think this class is excellant but if your not happy you must get back too head office make a complaint,regarding thisclass most judging iv found to be constant and helpful, but i imagine you may get the odd one thats not, put it in writing help the classes of the future.
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Post by posh on Jul 9, 2010 16:18:37 GMT
Yes i might do that. I did two classes so that came to £80 plus my diesel so the day was over £100 but i feel i gained absolutely nothing
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Post by traffik on Jul 9, 2010 16:31:56 GMT
MONEY talks let the head office know ur pointers and im sure they will take issue particualy if the judge was as un obliging as you suggest. this is a great class and id hate it if you didnt try again.
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Post by shiningstar on Jul 9, 2010 19:55:59 GMT
i have to agree with posh. i entered search for a star purely for the feedback and got absolutely none from either judge and when my mum went back to ask for marks/comments was told there werent any except for the workers.considering the entry fee i was excpecting feedback from both judges on the spot particularly the ride judge (who incidentaly i thought gave all the horses a very good ride) but got nothingfrom the ride judge and the only comment from the conf judge was does he have a red ribbon in his tail because he kicks? well durrr maybe he thought i like red and it looked pretty.
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Post by sg on Jul 9, 2010 23:11:11 GMT
Hate to post hijack but shiningstar you shouldn't use a red tail ribbon at anything above very local level- if a horse is that likely to kick it shouldn't be in the ring
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Post by saz88 on Jul 10, 2010 9:41:53 GMT
Hate to post hijack but shiningstar you shouldn't use a red tail ribbon at anything above very local level- if a horse is that likely to kick it shouldn't be in the ring On another thread re an incident at cheshire, the complaint was that there wasnt a red ribbon in tail - Cheshire County!!! So not sure not needed above local level?
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Post by bigmama on Jul 10, 2010 10:56:38 GMT
we did 2009 SFAS qualifier @ Osbaldeston under 153cms ridden class and it was an eye-opener ..... way of going and manners were not a consideration however that is not the point i am making here the first four placed ponies were shp types, 5th & 6th SP/SR types ... the judges spoke to each of the four shp riders and then walked out the ring, completely ignoring 5th & 6th ..... surely at that stage, ALL of the top six in what was a huge entry should have been commented/advised ... 5th & 6th were quality animals, very mannerly, very well presented and shown and they must have wondered what they needed to do to improve/impress the judges and a helpful word would have been well-received We teach our kids to be polite and well-mannered and yet on this occasion ignorant adults let them down .. shame on you
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Post by downiesmaestro on Jul 10, 2010 12:13:02 GMT
SFAS I think is a great idea and I think there should be more qualifiers.....a very good friend of mine has been doing them with the novice and has found the show a great experience.
If a judge doesn't comment on how you can improve your pony/yourself/performance etc why don't you go and ask them instead of asuming that they will tell you. If you think about it these judges are up and down the country every week judging a hell of a lot of ponies at a time, maybe sometimes they simply forget!! Am sure we are all guilty of it atleast once......I have been under the SFAS judges previously and have found they are fair and if you ask they will openly comment on how to improve.
As for it being a farce......i would like to disagree, although am not able to do SFAS as previously qualifying in open classes etc I think SFAS is a much more fair and less facey way for amateurs to compete...I dont think its fair sometimes when amateurs are put into massive HOYS classes with producers under a judge who favours the rider apposed to the horse. SFAS goes on horses performance, manners and confirmation...which I feel all classes should be based on...not who is sitting in the saddle!!
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Post by traffik on Jul 10, 2010 15:15:57 GMT
How very disappointing, i really thought this class was of benifit too all . im really not impressed that so many of you have had bad expiriences, if your discrepinces ae raised with head office im sure they will be dealt with accordingly, at not to satisfy the few,
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Post by as if on Jul 10, 2010 19:12:44 GMT
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Post by Thinking on Jul 10, 2010 19:55:31 GMT
Just a random question - With the exception of Harwell Wizard, have any other SFAS winners gone on to do anything of note?
To be honest I don't really pay attention to it as there are no qualifiers in Scotland due to "lack of support and entries" (I asked them and that is the answer I was given.) and can't think if I have ever come across another who has gone on to be a "star".
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Post by SFAS Guest on Jul 10, 2010 20:22:51 GMT
Shelford Rupert Murram Park Phantom Applejack II
Sure there is more but just of the top of my head.
Shelford Rupert and Applejack both top three placings in HOYS open hunter classes, more than once, and both still owned by the persons that competed them in SFAS
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Post by fmm on Jul 10, 2010 20:25:43 GMT
The very first winner SHelford Rupert won loads of hunter classes and placed in the HOYS HW hunters every year, Stan the Man (winning cob) won HOYS open cobs, Chinwagfin was 8th in the open cobs last year after winning the SFAS cobs. THere are probably loads more but these are the ones that spring to mind. Forgot Urishkay that won the hunters and then was 3rd in the open LWs at HOYS the following year.
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Post by Milliesmum on Jul 10, 2010 21:08:16 GMT
Fleet water Xecutive, holding his own in open hack classes and also intermediates.
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Post by starspotter on Jul 10, 2010 21:29:58 GMT
Another cob was Tellytubs who won SFAS and then later went champion cob at HOYS. Some very nice animals in SFAS- a very worthwhile class.
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Post by starspotter on Jul 10, 2010 21:36:32 GMT
Oh and apparently champion at RIHS aswell!
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Post by I tried it on Jul 11, 2010 10:54:01 GMT
Well, we went to Badgeworth, TINY stables at £25, diesel £90, entry £30. Pulled in last,but on last pull up to 10th out of 28. One of the only ponies that went mannerly, didn't pull or wrong legg and was up and forward. Comments from outside the ring were "my god, why is that down there" and not just from one person. We were pleased that we had moved up all those places. We went back in for a "critique". My god, what we heard as we were standing there was embarrassing!!! Thankfully not for us, but to listen too!!! " My god girl, get some lessons", "what an earth have you got in that ponies mouth, I'D NEVER LET YOU ON MY YARD WITH THAT IN!!", "Truly awfull!", and all spoken very loudly!!! Our comments were really helpfull, "moments of sheeer WOW, but is she level??", the answer to that is, yes she is, chiropracter checked, farrier checked, but it looks like a bruise appearing now, so yes, he was right! We were due to go today but 3 wins at county yesterday and we are staying in bed today! I thought some of the judging at SFAS was not to my opinion but that's what it is, my opinion, the only answer is, change the judges at each venue, like open classes, then there's different types through, different opinions, and happier competitors. We may try again but I for one have decided, I don't need to compete "in a car park in Birmingham" with all the stress and nasty comments form rivals, but will go on with our "Wow" horse and enjoy the rest of the season.
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Post by hollycane on Jul 11, 2010 11:12:08 GMT
I tried it why on earth were you going to SFAS when it is clearly not aimed at someone who has "3 wins at county" the day before? Knowing the judges who were at Osbaldeston they would be spade callers and each having a great deal of experience their comments would be worth listening to as it would help to shape one's experience of what can be improved upon and what judges are looking for. The very name "Search for a Star" was designed to find those little gem show horses who are doing other disciplies with owners and riders who had never tried showing before which is why the format is as it is. It is not a showing series that showing people are supposed to try and "qualify" for but it now appears to be mobbed by the moaning mafia. Jolly good luck to those who make the effort to have a go, learn and enjoy the experience as it was designed.
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Post by sageandonion on Jul 11, 2010 15:03:17 GMT
I tried it guest. I am so pleased you haven't come on as a member name as, frankly, you are the epitomy of the type of 'showing' person I detest and this would have clouded any other posts you would make for me.
Three wins at County the day before and then you drag your horse to SFAS, no wonder the poor thing is lame.
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Post by ladybird on Jul 11, 2010 17:06:24 GMT
go you sagey!!
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Post by wrongagain on Jul 11, 2010 17:12:56 GMT
Why cant a horse win and then go to a show the next day? why would that make it lame? so does that apply to everyone who next month will b doing the championship shows Sagey??! why be so insulting towards people so what if they had 3 winhen went to another show, if it was a welfare issue then lets get all the 2, 3, 4 day shows closed down! BOO hoo, grow up!
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