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Post by Dropping in on Nov 23, 2006 11:59:41 GMT
I have a bit of a dilemma. I bought a registered welsh pony. Despite the pony having two owners since leaving the breeder, niether of these have transferred the reg/passport to their name so I do not have a vendors sig on the passport. WPCS say I will need to either obtain the signatures from the previous owners (and, I assume, pay the transfer fee for each!!) or get a solicitor's letter to confirm I own the pony etc. Either way, looks like quite a lot of cost/work!!! Has anyone else had this problem and how much did it cost? Why can't people complete transfers when they buy a pony? Thanks.
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Post by Cherrytop & Spicery Stud on Nov 23, 2006 12:54:55 GMT
can you not contact the breeder and get then to sign?
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Post by jacqui on Nov 23, 2006 12:55:35 GMT
If the passport is still in the breeders name why can't you just ask the breeder to sign the transfer form?
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Post by Dropping in on Nov 23, 2006 13:09:34 GMT
Thanks to those who responded. I have looked up the stud's website and will phone them later. Hope they are "user friendly"!!! In case I have to go down the legal route has anyone any idea of this cost?
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Post by forgedsigs on Nov 23, 2006 13:22:50 GMT
I had this same problem once a long time ago now. I just put a scribbled signature on for the previous owners and coughed up the transfer fees. It's not like they can or do check the signatures and as I saw it, it was my only option!
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Post by Cheeky on Nov 23, 2006 13:49:41 GMT
Have had this situation in the past and i phoned the last registered owner and asked them if they mindxed if i forged their signature ! its a bit naughty but saved a thought for time and hassle !
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Post by Guestless on Nov 23, 2006 15:43:20 GMT
Poor you. It's totally unfair when a new owner is put in a situation like this. I think all breed societies should put the onus of changing ownership on the seller to try to stop situations like this stop occurring.
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Post by Cherrytop & Spicery Stud on Nov 23, 2006 15:48:37 GMT
Sellers are suposed to pay for it if you ready the bit in the passports
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Post by Guestless on Nov 23, 2006 16:39:11 GMT
Sellers are suposed to pay for it if you ready the bit in the passports For the Welsh society? If that's the case, then how can they penalise the new owner? Surely the society should take the case up for the new owner and not leave the poor owner to do all the hard work (and finance).
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Post by Cherrytop & Spicery Stud on Nov 23, 2006 17:09:10 GMT
Ok this is what it says
"please note it is the VENDOR'S responsiblilty to notify the WP&C of any transfers of ownership of a pony/cob and return the passport to the office along with the appropriate fee"
But many take it that the buyers pay for the transper
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Post by Guestless on Nov 23, 2006 21:58:39 GMT
"please note it is the VENDOR'S responsiblilty to notify the WP&C of any transfers of ownership of a pony/cob and return the passport to the office along with the appropriate fee" But many take it that the buyers pay for the transper If I was in the situation of "dropping in" I would quote that to the WPCS as I think it is up to them as the body governing the studbooks to ensure ownership issues are resolved. I have only ever sold one pony, but I did get the new owner to sign her bit and then I paid for and sent off the change of ownership details as I felt it was my responsibility to do so.
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Post by john on Nov 24, 2006 7:28:31 GMT
www.wpcs.uk.com/ponies/registrationfees.htmlhope this answers the question of cost, looks as £10 for transfer fee, but depends on whether you've got the new passport or old one, as after all that despert hurry to get the old ones in and changed they still are taking them in to be done!
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Post by Cob Breeder on Nov 24, 2006 9:30:37 GMT
I have had a couple of similar situations in the past. I have simply tipexed out any NON signed "owners" back to the last vendor signature then sent it off with my address and a £10 registration fee.
Never had a problem / query from the WPCS about this...they seem to be user friendly about these situations I have found
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Post by Dropping in on Nov 24, 2006 10:24:20 GMT
Thanks to everyone who has posted here. Spoke to WPCS and said the options are either notary's letter or get previous owners to sign and transfer! As for the breeder's signing - I'm not sure they will be willing to do this as this would be giving false information....and they may lose the passport!! I did make contact with them when I first bought the pony, but they didn't seem interested ....but I assume they will be when he has qualified for HoYs (LOL!!!).
Don't mind the cost so much as the amount of work I have to do! No wonder that native ponies get "lost"! I wonder how many native breed ponies are top competion ponies, but competing under another name? I know a good event pony who is a New Forest pony, but has been passported elsewhere and competes under a different name from the NF registered name. The owners say his papers went astray several years ago and when passports came in, he was just passported with the cheapest society as the "paper trail" they were requested to follow by the breed society seemed endless, and the cost was around £100.00. They had no interest in showing and the pony concerned is a gelding so they didn't see the point of going to so much cost and effort. Such a shame as he is a good ambassador for his breed!! I believe some of the top show jumping ponies are New Forest, Connemara and sections C, but many compete under "non breed" names. I am not sure how passporting is going to stop this!
If I didn't want to compete my pony as an M&M, I could just call him something different and passport him elsewhere...except that I feel strongly that breeder's should get recognition wherever possible and be able to trace any pony they have bred.
Ah well, will phone a few solicitors and see how much this will cost!
Once again, thanks.
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Post by sallyw on Nov 24, 2006 10:42:36 GMT
I guess if it doesn't matter too much you could do what I did. I rescued a section A with no passport. I had what was supposed to be a registered name so I contacted the supposed breeder. They could not remember the pony - she is old. I just got a passport from another Passport issuing Organisation. However, this is not what you want. I have to say that I found WPCS hopelessly unhelpful and wish you the best of luck.
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Post by Welshmountainpony on Nov 24, 2006 21:06:31 GMT
Out of interest Fetherstone - what was your pony's 'registered' name and who was breeder. - if you have an approx year of birth i could look it up in the wpcs stud book
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