hmm d x a query?

[whoisshe]

A little accident happend the other day! Some kind person let my a mare out of the stable and her being full on in season troted off to see my sec d stallion who was very pleaed to see her! I get there to see him doing the business! Question is will she be ok she has had several foals easily but this one will be bigger also can i still regiter the foal?

[norwalk]

Would be able to register as a C

[whoisshe]

Phew its ironic really as she was going to stud but then my mum died so never got round to taking her. And she has been so flirty. Now she seems vert happy with herself in fact its noce to see her happy! I have only bred sec a's and i said i would breed no more. But i was contemplating a nice c to drive? Him upstairs does move in mysterious ways, so maybe its fate?
Thanks for the advice and i can assure you the foal will have a home for life, so im not breeding lots of foals i cannot keep and pass on uncertain of there future. X
;D

[holiday]

She should have no problems and it sounds like although unplanned will have a fab home with a job!!!!!!!! Should be a very smart driving pony !!!!

[lexy]

Yes they can carry fine, A's are usually quite broad and plenty of room to carry a larger foal. No different to putting a bigger horse on a smaller mare, e.g. Welsh D x TB etc.

Hope she has a nice foal, she was obviously determined to have a baby!!

[garnet]

i thought welsh pony and cob society had stopped registering a cross d . thought they could only be registered as part bred. could be wrong.sure someone will know on here.

[sarahp]

No, it's fine to cross two Welsh sections, the resulting foal can always be registered somewhere. They did try to stop registering Bs crossed with cobs, C or D, but that was so unpopular that they repealed that one.

[pattendown]

me myself i wouldnt do it but alot of breeders do thats how they origionally got sec c's you can reg them as c's good luck with it

[whoisshe]

She has definatly been eyeing my stallion up all season, shouting him every 5 mins..... so its fate i suppose, but still i think it will be a lovely foal, and she seems very pleased with herself now, bucking and carrying on around the field...lol x

[sarahp]

pattendown - originally, before the WPCS and the stud book, there was a continuum of Welshies of all heights, which would today be As, Cs and Ds. Currrent Bs were added later to accommodate those with TB and Eastern bloodlines. But lots of bloodlines were lost in WWII and I agree, at that stage AxD was used to add some new ones to the Cs, often using an A stallion on a cob mare, but it wasn't the origin of the section.

whoisshe - it has been done without problems, I had an A mare given to me who had spent her life breeding C foals by a D without incident, but only you can take the decision for your mare. If it were me I'd take the size and type of your D stallion into account, a beefy 15.2 might be a different matter to a neat 14.2, as well as the conformation of your mare - a deep, longer backed mare like the one I had would have more room to carry a big foal. Research has shown that in general the mare determines the birth size of the foal but that is the majority, there can always be exceptions.

[pattendown]

yes i know thats why i know people still breed c's that way ,i just would do it myself ,,should be a lovely foalie and they have very nice heads by doing it that way

[whoisshe]

Blinkin typical she has come back in season but behaving very odd towards stallion. I darent put him out with her now. Lol x

[jebeth]

She could be in foal even if she seems in season.
You didn't say if the stallion was licenced? If not you cannot register the foal as anything purebred.

J

[mountainsandhorses]

You can resgister the off spring if the Stallion is licensed retrospectivley. You would need to make up a covering certificate etc. A stallion license fee is £125 from WPCS plus the charge your vet would put on for examination. A book of service certificares costs £10- the full fees are on the WPCS website. I know all of the charges quite well....used to work for them!!

[seth398]

never knew all this a x d=c what about the size difference? what about a axb or bxc or a dxb what would happen then? just being a bit thick here i thought you could not do this would some one kind please explain thanks x

[whoisshe]

Hi stallion is licensed?he is gellifach cymro a lovely boy. Will get her scanned in a couple of months to double check. As regards the cover certificate do i just write one out with sires details and license number seems a bit unofficial? Do people use cards signed by stallion owners? I have never seen one so unsure what to do?

[mountainsandhorses]

stallion is licenced to you? If so then you will need a covering certifate which is numbered and that will be completed by the registered keeper of the stallion. This is kept and sent off with the paperwork at foal registration after chipping etc. Seth 398- all the crossing formula are worked out on the wpcs website but it best to "think type" a B is a B for instance and should be taken into consideration when caught between sections..
Parents
Progeny

A x A
A

A x B
B

A x C
C

A x D
C

B x B
B

B x C
C

B x D
C or D

C x C
C

C x D
C or D

D x D
D


4. TRANSFERS BETWEEN SECTIONS

On the basis of height certified by a Veterinary Surgeon, the Society may sanction:

4.1 A transfer from Section A to Section B of stock which has grown over 12 hands.

4.2 A transfer from Section C to Section D of stock which has grown over 13 hands 2 inches.

4.3 A transfer from Section D to Section C of stock, seven years old or over, which does not exceed 13 hands 2 inches.

[dawn]

If you own the stallion and the mare, if a foal arrives you can register it without a covering certificate. There is a section on the registration form for you to sign instead. You only need a covering certificate if you don't own the the stallion used or didn't own the mare at the time of covering.

[seth398]

thanks nicola i was just a bit confused

[mountainsandhorses]

Don't blame you. I'm sure they could get an A-level out of it all! Good Luck!

[stormyskies]

So If you cross an A with some other section, is it always not an A? To get an A does it have to be a x a? Or does it go on height?

[dawn]

A is always A x A

[stormyskies]

yes but what would an a x b be?

[denis]

A X B = B regardless of height or type!

[stormyskies]

Cheers that's what I thought. Just wanted to check before I said so to the woman's

[archiepoo]

[/img]hi i had a A xD foal and we crossed everything hoping he would make a C but he only grew to 11.3HH ! he was very chunky and had D size feet- bit odd but he was a great driving pony