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Post by doubter on Dec 10, 2006 11:59:34 GMT
Ok put into context, for a pedo to groom a child they have to have regular access, a child may see a judge only a few times a year (unless you judge follow), how exactly is a judge going to groom a child for that sort of activity on a few occasions a year and in full view of the world?
I think producers stand more of a chance of being able to and they shoud have a CRB.
As for the stigma attached to criminals who have served time, I think it realy depends on what they did to begin with, theft maybe there shouldnt be the stigma, but murder? rape? pedophilia? i think that that sort of person should be locked up and they should throw away the key, 10 years for murder (which is actualy quite a long sentance compaired to some) is shockingly low and i dont believe those people can ever pay off thier debt to society let alone thier debt to the family. The stigma attached to these sort of people may act as a slight detterent for them to do it again.
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Post by NoDoubt on Dec 10, 2006 16:47:37 GMT
Ok put into context, for a pedo to groom a child they have to have regular access, a child may see a judge only a few times a year (unless you judge follow), how exactly is a judge going to groom a child for that sort of activity on a few occasions a year and in full view of the world? Doubter - a judge could easily have contact with these kids outwith the class, alot of the shows I go to print names and addresses of exhibitors in their catalogues. Hypothetical situation: If a judge approached a child in the street, that child may possibly have trust in that person, afterall he/she judged them at a show, they must be a good person and someone to look up to. And so the seeds are planted. I have undergone extensive training in child safety issues and have worked in that enviroment for the last 10 years. I can see how very easy it would be for a judge to abuse their position and build up an unhealthy relationship with a child. Paedophiles don't walk around with labels on their heads announcing what they are. They are usually very clever and calculating people, they have to be so that they don't get caught. I have had one of my own children groomed. Don't assume it won't happen to one of yours, don't assume you would know if it was happening. The chances are you probably will have no idea initially. And Doubter. don't doubt. All children are vulnerable no matter how much we think we have educated them against dangers. CRB checks won't stop paedophiles, but they go a long way in helping us keep our kids safe by flagging up those unsavoury types that have been previously caught out. Just because such a person may have been locked up or institutionalised for what they have done in the past, don't assume they can be forgiven and won't do it again. Go and look at statistics, most paedophiles DO reoffend. |
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Post by itsy bitsy on Dec 10, 2006 18:07:33 GMT
No doubt is absolutely correct. Paedophiles are amazingly deceiptive and come from all walks of life, they are frequently well educated and in positions of trust or are able to get themselves in that position unsuspectingly. They often have 'little secrets' with the kids they are grooming unfortunately we don't take this issue seriously enough, in my view they should all be locked up at the first indication of trouble. Worryingly this can often run through families and abused becomes abuser in due course, thats how little we know. Society has become far too PC and once your child has been subject to their attentions he/she will have had an experience which will be withthem for the rest of their lives. It will also affect family and friends. Its very sad people don't realise what it will be like until its too late.  |
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Post by dpl on Dec 10, 2006 18:23:43 GMT
Dont forget that in many more jobs thse days, employees are required to go through CRB/List 99 checks, so a fair number of people will already have a clear CRB check on record!
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Post by Guestless on Dec 10, 2006 20:13:28 GMT
Slightly off topic, but don't you think it's sad that nowadays a judge (particularly a male judge) will no longer help a child if they fall off or even put a qualification card under the leg and stirrup leather of a child - fear of reprisals is quite sad IMO (although understandable in today's culture).  |
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Post by itsy bitsy on Dec 10, 2006 20:42:32 GMT
guestless I couldn't agree more, and perhaps if someone / thing could sort out the paedos we may see some of the old standards return some day in the future - why is it that the few spoil things for everyone else.
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Post by think again on Dec 10, 2006 20:56:50 GMT
CRB checks aren't only about identifying potential paedophiles, they also pull up drug abuse. Get real folks with the big parties being held at shows now our kids are more at risk of drug dealers and seeing those they are supposed to respect playing that game than being subject to being viewed by a paedophile. Would be great to know the kids weren't being judged by or societies run by shady characters of this variety.
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Post by Man U on Dec 10, 2006 21:10:53 GMT
Why not follow the footie and drug test & CRB them all. See who drops off or doesn't show up!
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Post by good on Dec 11, 2006 1:36:31 GMT
Slightly off topic, but don't you think it's sad that nowadays a judge (particularly a male judge) will no longer help a child if they fall off or even put a qualification card under the leg and stirrup leather of a child - fear of reprisals is quite sad IMO (although understandable in today's culture). couldnt agree more, but why only men? there are paedo women too! all this drug dealers business - I havent got a clue what you are talking about - i have never seen any at shows. AT the end of the day if people want to take drugs to get them through their day then that is up to them, if you are worried about your kids then educate them and keep them under your supervision! I think parents need to take more responsibility! |
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Post by Opinion on Dec 11, 2006 3:13:25 GMT
children have a right not to be touched by anyone however innocent it may seem. it is abuse of power differences for a judge to invade someones space by pinning rosettes on them without permission. It may not be sexual!
Personnally i think we need to be wary of those who do not have a CRB or anything listed on it if they do have one.
At least if people have missdemeaners on their CRB we know what can keep an eye on them, its offenders getting away with it that need rooting out/
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Post by secretary on Dec 11, 2006 6:37:24 GMT
Perhaps those who have clear CRB checks could be marked on the judges lists so that we are aware when selecting and contacting them.
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Post by Molly on Dec 11, 2006 8:12:09 GMT
Slightly off topic, but don't you think it's sad that nowadays a judge (particularly a male judge) will no longer help a child if they fall off or even put a qualification card under the leg and stirrup leather of a child - fear of reprisals is quite sad IMO (although understandable in today's culture). couldnt agree more, but why only men? there are paedo women too! all this drug dealers business - I havent got a clue what you are talking about - i have never seen any at shows. AT the end of the day if people want to take drugs to get them through their day then that is up to them, if you are worried about your kids then educate them and keep them under your supervision! I think parents need to take more responsibility! I totally agree with you there on both topics. I think its sad that a male judge wont be able to assist a child that has fallen off and wont be able to place a qualification card under the leg...what is this world coming too  & as you said there are female paedo's as well! |
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Post by Abuse on Dec 11, 2006 15:11:56 GMT
I feel we do live in a very corrupt society these days, yes there are paedos out there, but how distressing must it be to be accused of such obsenities when you are innocent.
Also I'd like to point out that sex abuse is not the only reason why people are barred from working with children, verbal, emotional & physical abuse are also very common.
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Post by neglect on Dec 11, 2006 16:57:51 GMT
Getting back the thread back on track evidently none of the societies are paying for CRB's to be done. The paperwork sent out appears to be a politically correct excercise.
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