kiwi
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Post by kiwi on Oct 17, 2010 21:43:47 GMT
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Post by nici on Oct 17, 2010 23:01:19 GMT
Perhaps they were simply the best ponies in their respective classes on the day?
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Post by firtree on Oct 18, 2010 8:26:40 GMT
We showed in the uk for the first time this year and i think you need more then a good horse. Just my own thought! even so we did really well in a lot of classes.We all so at certain shows told what would win.
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Post by sometime on Oct 18, 2010 12:32:48 GMT
Ah yes coincidence it may be but if they have been winning loads and the ringside judges also love the they are likely to win simply because they are the best on the day or even this season
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Post by carolla on Oct 18, 2010 12:43:30 GMT
Yes the above is said to happen unfortunately, I have seen it myself only the odd time, most of the talk is hear say. It gives good judges a bad name. Also alot of the Hoys qualifiers are ridden by lots of producers and other good people and alot of good ones get missed on the go round as the classes are huge especially coloured and m&ms, I think some judges whom lack confidence pick the sames ones as they know others have picked them and they are less likely to get criticised. Keep at it and Judges keep looking for new animals and new faces, they deserve a shot. As the standard in genera for all is high.
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Post by Milliesmum on Oct 18, 2010 13:07:21 GMT
I think we all know it goes on, but I don't think it goes on as much as some people THINK it goes on, if you know what I mean.
It's all too easy to say, if things don't go your way, oh it was fixed, there was a connection, or whatever.
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Post by Onthebit on Oct 18, 2010 19:53:16 GMT
Well said MM, xx
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Post by princessstacie22 on Oct 18, 2010 19:56:17 GMT
People might have known they would win because they are such good horses.
Im sorry but it is getting a bit boring now with all this speculation. we all know it happens sometimes and i think it will continue to happen.
I also think that its a crying shame that some people have to rain on the winners parade out of jealousy/bit*hiness/gossip. Im sure they have worked incredibly hard for that win
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Post by bonnieheather on Oct 18, 2010 20:30:23 GMT
Oh this subject is getting a little boring now - there's cries of 'fix' after almost every show now!! If you bear in mind that all of the horses at HOYS had to qualify, then if they were all fixed to win, who's winning or loosing when they are all in the ring together at HOYS?? There can only be one winner, and if all these so called fixes have bribed someone into winning, what do all of the loosers do when they don't get that red rossette???
Everyone works very hard at this game, win or loose.......
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Post by kiwi on Oct 18, 2010 20:39:29 GMT
I agree that a lot is typical horse gossip...but it really does go on! It did not affect me who won these particular classes..but I had been informed by a close connection of the winner of one class that a win was in the bag!!!!
Just a shame that it is evening happening at HOYS!!
Ok ...so it could be just they are the best ponies....amazing when u think that 25 of the best ponies are all in the same class and every judge has a favourite breed, type,etc and still these particular ponies win!!
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Post by princessstacie22 on Oct 18, 2010 20:41:32 GMT
I thought that we would win our ''judge the pony would most like to take home'' class. Thats hy we entered and guess what??? we won!!!
Does that mean we fixed it. We have had a quite a few wins this season too so obviously that adds fuel to the fire!!
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Post by kiwi on Oct 18, 2010 20:55:33 GMT
We have had many wins too...but u should never expect to win!! My daughter qualified for Hoys for the first time this yr and of course we heard some people bit*hing and said that must have been a set up.....so we are also on the receiving end too!!!
I did not start this thread because I am jealous.....just concerned............!!......and yes....I agree Carolla....some judges are too scared to differ from the norm faces because of being criticised......there are some great judges but also some bad!
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Post by buckaroo on Oct 18, 2010 21:39:37 GMT
Kiwi. You are saying what 99% of BSPS already know and think themselves but are too scared to say anything bad as they would be labelled as jealous or sour grapes. All of these people saying they must of been the best ponies are insulting us and themselves . The showing is a joke most of the time but it is peoples hobbies and they work hard and spend a lot of money to qualify HOYS and RIHS. I too knew of ponies(well jockeys and leaders) who would win. And I noticed it was a rather case of a judges show as most people up top were judges or involved in judging. So a few favours were given and as we will all see the favours will be re paid next season. I just wish we had a betting office at shows as most of us would be quids in already knowing the result before we set foot on the showground.
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Post by firtree on Oct 19, 2010 7:41:59 GMT
Yes i agree with all above we had our m/m l/r produced and went in most hoys qualifers all ways top ten and seconds and thirds but i really noticed not all fair.Never mind do it all again! even so first time showing in uk great fun.
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Post by robertparkerjones on Oct 19, 2010 17:52:21 GMT
I'd give up if I felt so miserable about it all!!! However have been involved in various capacities for over 40 years!!!
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Post by sparrow on Oct 19, 2010 23:07:00 GMT
I was standing by the ring at an NPS show watching the in hand classes. There was about 8 - 10 classes with a championship.
The winners were waiting in the collecting ring for the championship. They were all kept waiting for no apparant reason, the judge was in the ring the collecting ring steward was on the entrance. After about 5 minutes the judge walked over to the collecting ring and was talking to the steward after a few more minutes I heard the Judge ask "where is ++++++" Judge and steward were looking around the ground for this competitor, when ++++++ appeared all the other competitors were allowed to enter the ring.
Guess who won the championship?
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Post by inkjet on Oct 20, 2010 7:20:11 GMT
all the ponies at the show have qualified so on their day they were the judges favourite. The hoys judges I presume don't lock them selves in a cupboard for the season prior to Hoys so will have seen what has qualified in the class they will judge at hoys. Whether that's in the flesh or in horse and hound, showing world etc. I can imagine those that before they get in the ring they have an idea of type that they like. They may have on paper their favourite before the day. However on the day they still have to judge what's in front of them and may be blown away by so
Erving they have missed in the past.
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Post by fmm on Oct 25, 2010 11:58:32 GMT
I was standing by the ring at an NPS show watching the in hand classes. There was about 8 - 10 classes with a championship. The winners were waiting in the collecting ring for the championship. They were all kept waiting for no apparant reason, the judge was in the ring the collecting ring steward was on the entrance. After about 5 minutes the judge walked over to the collecting ring and was talking to the steward after a few more minutes I heard the Judge ask "where is ++++++" Judge and steward were looking around the ground for this competitor, when ++++++ appeared all the other competitors were allowed to enter the ring. Guess who won the championship? I'm not too sure why you find that a problem (apart from the fact that the competitor should have been at the ring on time). It does not smack of fixing. It smacks more that the judge had judged the classes earlier in the day, and was already fairly sure of their outright champion. In which case, you would certainly want to wait for the horse to come forward. |
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Post by pencaedu on Oct 25, 2010 12:17:49 GMT
Sorry Sparrow, but like fmm, I don't see the problem. I've stewarded all over the place & Usually the judge has a good idea what's going to win the championship, providing it doesn't blot its copybook in the Championship. It doesn't mean anything other than the Judge waiting for the horse he/she wanted to come forward. Why must everyone look for ulterior motives?
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Post by reubenlover on Oct 25, 2010 18:30:41 GMT
ohhh kiwi, you seem to have touched a nerve  maybe people don't like hearing the truth?? |
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Post by foxylady on Oct 25, 2010 19:33:31 GMT
It is a beauty contest at the end of the day and beauty is in the eye of the beholder !!! Feel sorry for the poor ponies who spend every weekend going round in circles with two changes of rein and a little extension if their lucky , personally I would want to slit my throat . One might wonder why there aren't many more spitting the dummy !!
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Post by sd52 on Oct 25, 2010 21:42:59 GMT
Actually I have to take issue with the last post we won 2 sections of the m and m's at HOYS and it was the most wonderful day but I can honestly say that neither of the ponies concerned spend every week-end going round in circles ! Both have been very lightly shown spend every day in the field and hack out all the time, the one that we home produce we did without a school at home so it was all done out on hacks and occasional visits to kind friends schools. Both ponies are now out in the field at home so please do not tar everyone with the same brush my ponies have a wonderful life and I am very proud of the results we achieve with them but I would not show them if I thought they were not enjoying it .
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Post by firtree on Oct 26, 2010 6:59:01 GMT
Well said sd52 our ponies go out on hacks round the village stop at the park while the children play.Beach rides,through acres on the farm.And we show at top level only time in our school is once a week a month before the shows start.And we are lucky if the children do half an hour never mind the ponies.
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Post by sarahp on Oct 26, 2010 7:26:10 GMT
And while it is down to the judge's assessment rather than say knocking fences down, showing is not a beauty competition but should be judged on conformation, movement, manners - ie general "fitness for purpose" - and breed or class type. And in a ridden class, on its suitablility and performance as a ridden animal.
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Post by robertparkerjones on Oct 27, 2010 10:46:46 GMT
This type of thread comes with no solution....... some are convinced its all a fix....... others realise its a competition where there is only one winner!! The main thing is that people try and enjoy themselves!! Exhibitors can vote with their feet if they are not happy!!!
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maybe people don't like hearing the truth?? 