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Post by help on Dec 20, 2006 14:35:58 GMT
This is a bit of a desperate final bid for ideas. We have a 4year old connie that we are braking in, the problem is whatever we try it just won't walk of the riders aids. We have tried everything we can think off, it goes off voice commands on the lunge and being long reined perfectly fine. We have done everything we can think off to get it going but nothing seems to work, excessive voice commands backed up by aids, lunging it, long reining, following another pony, leading it, trying it in a different enviroment, changed it tack, changed its bit, had its back teeth, etc checked but all to no avail!! Has anyone got any ideas, however silly as this is a supe start pony that could go to the top if we could get it going. WE have had lots fo ponies of all shapes andsizes but never had this problem before. Our pony that we bred and broke ourselves have gone on to HOYS and olympia so please don't think we are clueless novices, any ideas would be a fantastic help!! thanks.
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Post by Pho3nix on Dec 20, 2006 14:56:03 GMT
hummm aren't connies wonderful?  Have you tried long reining it with the rider on? Combining the voice commands along with the riders aids? maybe that will encourage the connie to link the commands together and walk on?  |
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Post by Kilty on Dec 20, 2006 15:10:43 GMT
If the pony walks on voice command, get the rider to start giving the command with their voice - at first backed up with the lunger/person on the ground. Continue your work with the voice commands and then add in the leg aids. Don't stop the voice commands for a while - the pony is obviously confident in following them. Just keep going with the voice and legs and occasionally just try legs, then straight back to voice and legs, whether the pony responds to just legs or not.
Alternatively, a person on the ground to back up the leg aids with a friendly reminder with a schooling whip?
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Post by thanku on Dec 20, 2006 17:38:06 GMT
Tried both of them but nope! lol thanks anyway
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Post by Wales not signed in on Dec 20, 2006 18:29:34 GMT
Try a pair of spurs. Also back them up with schooling whip and voice and if pony still not going forward to voice and schooling whip give it a GOOD reminder with the spurs.
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Post by armada on Dec 20, 2006 18:59:11 GMT
I was reduced to that tactic with a connemara as well, his owner said ' well they are'nt bred to work are they'  It gave it one hell of a shock the first time the spurs were applied, I have legs like clamps but it made no difference, but he eventually learned that it was a better idea to move for ward when asked. It was I may add, quite a slow process. I also rode with an open rein on both sides and that also seemed to encourage him. He was also a dead loss at the jumping, apparently in his head you trotted over a take off pole then oh, there is a cross pole at my knees, well i obviously have to stop. Hunting him really seemed to do the trick, he learned to go forward off the leg at pace changes and actually learned to jump!! |
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Post by sallyw on Dec 21, 2006 15:54:26 GMT
I would probably try spurs - although I do not like them normally. You have my greatest sympathy becasue when you are experienced and you have a problem like this you lose faith in your ability - I know I've been there! We actually used ahorse whisperer who 'talked' to the pony without actually being there. She then sends you a written report. I was very sceptical but the report had things in it which she could not possibly have known about.......She is Clare Walker 01451 850376. Good luck!
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Post by lolly on Dec 21, 2006 17:29:53 GMT
I too would hunt it, it will get it going forward and take its mind of schooling, or even hack it then find somewhere to school it whilst out hacking (I know, easier said than done and use spurs) My mare has to be schooled without her knowing she is being schooled.
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Post by ferret not logged in on Dec 21, 2006 17:31:47 GMT
i had a conni just the same ....what ever we did he would NOT budge !!! I had to lunge him to get him going forward and then jump on quick !! He would stop dead in the road and just not move at all ...whatever you did to him ! I sent him to my instructor who is a bloke , much heavier than me , stronger with longer legs ...and has ridden at badminton etc He said it took him 2 hours in a small paddock to try to get him to go all the way ropund without stopping ...apparently the conni did everything bar lie down to get rid of him ( at least he got a reaction ..i never got an eye flicker ! ) he brought him back a week later in spurs , i rode him in these ALL the time ( taking them off at the ring entrance obviously) for 6 months and then he was fixed !! he went on to be very syccessfull in flats and now workers too and goes forward without any effort ....so dont give up hope ...!! |
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Post by sallyw on Dec 26, 2006 11:17:21 GMT
How are you getting on? I had another thought about this. It might be something to do with confidence - the confirdenc to move off the spot with a weight on its back. If it was this it might work with a really light rider at first. I also read a fascinating book - How Horses Learn by Debbie Marsden which addresses all sorts of peculiar problems and is really interesting to read even when you think you have seen it all!!
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Post by stilnoluck on Dec 28, 2006 16:47:48 GMT
my jockey only 5 stone as it is! dont think ill get much littler yet compertent!! still not much success but then not really had much oppertuniny with xmas etc. try again in new yr and keep you posted. ta for all your help
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Post by hackety on Dec 28, 2006 16:58:20 GMT
Try a Parelli person or similar. I know a chap who does his own thing (along the Parelli lines) and he is fab. He makes everything seem to the horse like it is their idea so horse does as is bid willingly. You would be amazed at the result!
If you PM me I can pass his number to you (depending where you are based).
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Post by patterson on Dec 28, 2006 19:28:47 GMT
FOOD!! connies love food, when the rider is on board get someone on the ground with a bucket of nuts/carrots and let the pony follow them whilst giving the aids, then work down to just a few carrots in the persons pocket!... Just a thought!
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It gave it one hell of a shock the first time the spurs were applied, I have legs like clamps but it made no difference, but he eventually learned that it was a better idea to move for ward when asked. It was I may add, quite a slow process. I also rode with an open rein on both sides and that also seemed to encourage him. He was also a dead loss at the jumping, apparently in his head you trotted over a take off pole then oh, there is a cross pole at my knees, well i obviously have to stop. Hunting him really seemed to do the trick, he learned to go forward off the leg at pace changes and actually learned to jump!!
