Molly
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Post by Molly on Jan 15, 2007 22:23:11 GMT
Have seen on another site that the BSHA rule book,for this year has dropped the qualifying place to 5th ie You have to be the highest unqualified within the first 5 places, Rather the highest 3 places.
I think its a great idea ;D
There were so many 'blocked' qualifiers last season. I dont mind paying my HOYS levy now we all have a half decent chance of getting there.
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Post by kilty on Jan 16, 2007 12:04:25 GMT
I'm not sure I like the idea  I agree it will give more people a chance of getting there and it will hopefully therefore increase support of these classes. However I would hate to see the standard at HOYS go down as I feel this is a prestigious event which should showcase the absolute best of british showing (again, I understand that that is idealistic and isn't necessarily what happens) and shouldn't just make up numbers with animals that wouldn't qualify if the placings hadn't gone down to 5th. I'm not saying that it will happen, just that it would be a concern of mine. |
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Post by Dumpling on Jan 16, 2007 12:46:17 GMT
Although I have no problem in the HOYS qualification going down to 5th place.
I don't think this will allow for more people to actually go through. If you have a look at the "who qualified" at what shows last year (was on BSH web site) there were hardly any occasions, actually I do not think any at all in the RH sections, where there was no eligible qualifier as the first three had already qualified.
We may now see more cobs going forward, as I know a few of those tickets went "begging" but I doubt it will change the number of Hacks and RH forward.
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Post by maybe on Jan 16, 2007 19:25:26 GMT
maybe they should not allow any 1 who has qualified 4 hoys 2 go in another hoys class that year then there would not be the problem of blocking horses i have been in 2 hoys qualifiers where the first 3 have qualified and no qualifier has been given!!! its unfair
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Post by pho3nix on Jan 17, 2007 8:10:57 GMT
I'm not sure I like the idea I agree it will give more people a chance of getting there and it will hopefully therefore increase support of these classes. However I would hate to see the standard at HOYS go down as I feel this is a prestigious event which should showcase the absolute best of british showing (again, I understand that that is idealistic and isn't necessarily what happens) and shouldn't just make up numbers with animals that wouldn't qualify if the placings hadn't gone down to 5th. I'm not saying that it will happen, just that it would be a concern of mine. i agree with that kitty. The idea of dropping qualifying place to 5th i think could drop the standard and to be honest the exculsivity of the event! |
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Post by avie on Jan 17, 2007 8:17:00 GMT
I'm not sure I like the idea I agree it will give more people a chance of getting there and it will hopefully therefore increase support of these classes. However I would hate to see the standard at HOYS go down as I feel this is a prestigious event which should showcase the absolute best of british showing (again, I understand that that is idealistic and isn't necessarily what happens) and shouldn't just make up numbers with animals that wouldn't qualify if the placings hadn't gone down to 5th. I'm not saying that it will happen, just that it would be a concern of mine. i agree with that kitty. The idea of dropping qualifying place to 5th i think could drop the standard and to be honest the exculsivity of the event! totally agree, look at what happened to ponies uk when they gave the cards down to 6th bigger classes and less high quality ponies forward as basically anybody could then qualify and it was a lot easier to do so, saying you've qualified for hoys now wont have the same feeling as it use to. |
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Post by Jo Jenkins on Jan 17, 2007 9:07:29 GMT
Sorry dont agree. If you live from leicester all the way down to hickstead you would come across the top 3 placed HOYS cobs
last season and that didn't include Jayne Webber or Lynn Russell!!
So in order - Casanova, Lord of the Rings, Gemini, you cant tell me if you were fourth or fifth to them you would be sub standard!! And that list doesnt include other lovely cobs who live in the catchment area of Danielle Heath, Jo Jenkkins, Nat More, Lynn Russell, Jayne webber etc etc. You could go the whole season being 4 or 5 ON a lovley cob but TO lovely cobs and still deserve to be at HOYS.
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Post by Very True on Jan 17, 2007 9:25:24 GMT
That is quite right for the HOYS qualifiers but why is it the RIHS hack and riding horse qualifiers are so poorly supported? I watched a few last year where they were both numerically and quality sub-standard and picking up a ticket was relatively easy, the HOYS qualifiers were a different matter (with the odd exception). Can anyone explain?
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Post by clobo121082 on Jan 17, 2007 9:53:17 GMT
I don't see a problem with dropping them to 5th, as i think it is awful when a qualifier is up for grabs and no one takes it. The ponies are down to 5th and i don't think that has dropped standards!
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Post by Molly on Jan 17, 2007 10:51:40 GMT
I don't see a problem with dropping them to 5th, as i think it is awful when a qualifier is up for grabs and no one takes it. The ponies are down to 5th and i don't think that has dropped standards! I quite agree with you. I dont think the standard will drop |
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Post by Molly on Jan 17, 2007 10:52:34 GMT
That is quite right for the HOYS qualifiers but why is it the RIHS hack and riding horse qualifiers are so poorly supported? I watched a few last year where they were both numerically and quality sub-standard and picking up a ticket was relatively easy, the HOYS qualifiers were a different matter (with the odd exception). Can anyone explain? I have often wonderd this  |
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Post by ferret on Jan 17, 2007 12:30:13 GMT
i think this a good thing as just as someone quoted earlier ...if you have some of the top top horses in your area and they take up the top three , then u cant qualify ....i dont think it will drop the standard as it hasnt with the bsps .... at the end of the day how many of us are going to be in the top three at HOYS in a RH , cob or hack class ...but still have horses good enough to be placed 4th , 5th etc etc ....lets give it a chance and see how it pans out ??
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Post by Jo Jenkins on Jan 17, 2007 13:51:24 GMT
Dear 'Very True'
Yes I have noticed this too. I think there are more qualifiers for the R Int compared with HOYS. Also lots of people think that Hickstead is just too far to travel to with diesel prices etc. and what with the levy now they choose to spend their horse budget on chasing HOYS.
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Post by amsad on Jan 17, 2007 21:03:59 GMT
It'll give the amateurs more chance of qualifying unless the pro's bring out more animals  |
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Post by josie on Jan 17, 2007 21:13:06 GMT
For most people, the RIHS is just too far to go for poor stabling/parking etc. Been once, got the t-shirt, just wouldn't bother again.
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I agree it will give more people a chance of getting there and it will hopefully therefore increase support of these classes. However I would hate to see the standard at HOYS go down as I feel this is a prestigious event which should showcase the absolute best of british showing (again, I understand that that is idealistic and isn't necessarily what happens) and shouldn't just make up numbers with animals that wouldn't qualify if the placings hadn't gone down to 5th. I'm not saying that it will happen, just that it would be a concern of mine. 
