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Post by dazycutter on Jan 7, 2011 9:11:34 GMT
Why oh why do some vets fill owners with unfounded worry.
I breed irish setters and my last litter of puppies are now all with their new owner.
Case 1. 10 week old male pup.. presented with stiffness in hind limbs and reluctance to run around. New owner vet diagnosed some nasty inherited arthropathy and said the prognosis for the puppy was poor. He had not x rayed, scanned or done a joint tap. Owners were devastated. Took said puppy to my vet who said he doubted there was much wrong with it and had probably hurst himself playing. Said it was possible that the puppy could have some arthritic condition but highly unlikey due to the age and the fact none of the other puppies ahd presented with this.
2 weeks on metacam and rest, the puppy (now 17 weeks) is perfectly fine. Result.. worried owners, extra vet fees all for nothing.
case 2.
bit*h puppy who is a little bit incontinant at night. Owners vet diagnosed congenital ectopic ureter. They want to knock the puppy out and inject dye into her kidneys (she is 17 weeks) Also told them she was very small for her age.
Rang distressed owners last night and did explain that setter girls do go though very "sticky knickers" until at least 6 months and under no circumstances to let them inject her with dye. I am not ruling out an issue, but this problem is very common in setter girls which obviously this vet didnt know. As for her size, she is taller than my bit*h puppy and heavier!!!! Clearly again this vet knows nothing about setters.
Now without being racist at all, both of these vets (from different parts of the country) were eastern european and very young. What are they trying to prove or do. It seems they diagnose without working up first and unduly worry the owners to death.
I am so thankful my vet and his associates are fantastic and sensible.
Grrr.. rant over....
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Post by honeybees on Jul 9, 2011 14:05:04 GMT
No dog under 6 months old should be given metacam and I am even wary about the vet providing it too my adult dogs... www.ehow.co.uk/about_5584989_uses-metacam.htmlI realise the vet used metacam because of possible arthritis but if you find yourself in this situation again; I personally would ask for Rimadyl. |
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Post by cellwen on Jul 10, 2011 8:11:38 GMT
I completely understand,
I am an accredited breeder with the Kennel Club and breed Beagles.
I think it is because the puppies are all insured, my last litter born November 2010 as with all my litters the puppies are all wormed flea treated and because of their larger ears I clean them every day.
However a dog puppy I sold was taken for a vet check by his new owners and was told he had a ear infection, full of worms, covered in fleas and had a mouth full of warts.
This was impossiple what a load of S.*^£.. as a result the new owner left with a huge bill and a list of usless medication.
I actually requested the puppy back and had him checked by my vet who as I already new told me there was nothing wrong with him and he was in the peak of health.
I was very angry and upset I think the world of all my puppies and take very good care and pay lots of attention to them all.
And small minded vets trying to make a quick buck undermind you breed ethic and all the care and hard work you put into them trying to give your babies the best start possible OOOH it makes my blood boil
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Post by dazycutter on Jul 11, 2011 13:20:55 GMT
No dog under 6 months old should be given metacam and I am even wary about the vet providing it too my adult dogs... www.ehow.co.uk/about_5584989_uses-metacam.htmlI realise the vet used metacam because of possible arthritis but if you find yourself in this situation again; I personally would ask for Rimadyl. Thank you... Yes Metacam is not licensed in puppies under 6 months of age as there are no research done on them at this age. If given at the correct dosage and for a short time I am quite happy to give it and so is my vet who I do trust dearly. I also use Rimadyl which is a great drug too. Luckily pup is now fighting fit and has no problems :-) |
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Post by suzee on Jul 11, 2011 14:43:32 GMT
Sadly the above posts are so so common,so many Vets nowadays seem to have an "overactive imagination" which usually involves a lot of expense to the owner usually a puppy owner of a pedigree probably KC registered pup,A few years ago a Vet diagnosed Hip Displasia when literally looking at a puppy we had bred,"they all have it"!!!no it did not luckily the owner contacted us and used another Vet,pups hips were fine.
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Post by B_31 on Jul 11, 2011 14:53:32 GMT
wtf a 17 week old pup who wwets?  its still a pup!....... our (albeit thick...) collie was almost 6 months before she was toilet trained......! i wouldnt have took her to the vets!!! as for the first case.... pups always hurt themselves.... crashing about etc.... few days rest (or as much as you can!) normally sorts it out rediculous vets.... all about £££ |
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Post by dazycutter on Jul 11, 2011 19:55:08 GMT
luckily I have a fantastic vet, but some of these new imports (and I am not being at all racist) haven't a clue.
I think it says it all when a vet says " I dont know much about the breed.. but oh, she is small isn't she.. PMSL...
The edge or reason, it wasnt that the pup wasn't toilet trained, she "leaked" a bit at night.. a lot of little girls do and grow out of it... I do despair at times though. It almost puts you off breeding and I only do it whenever I want another dog to be fair, so every 4 or 5 years.
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Post by chorro on Jul 11, 2011 20:34:34 GMT
We are a registered breeder of Labradors and a registered boarding kennels and have had our moments with the vet, I really don't think you are being racist Dazycutter it does seem that foreign vets are quick to diagnose without any real evidence. When the vet asks 'is it insured' that's when you should start worrying cos you know they are rubbing their hands in glee. A friend of mine had a puppy who had one back leg that wasn't growing as quickly as his other legs, her vet said he couldn't operate and she would need to go to a specialist at a cost of £3000, she told him she was getting a second opinion and lo and behold he could suddenly do the operation for £750.
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Post by honeybees on Jul 14, 2011 23:15:27 GMT
DazyCutter, I'm so glad you have found a great relationship with a small animal vet... are you based in the south east by any chance.. if so could you pm details?! Have yet to come across a vet I can trust or rely on...  |
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Post by jasper1 on Jul 18, 2011 14:14:40 GMT
IT MAKES ME SOOO ANGRY TO HEAR , and you seem to have no comeback when they are proved wrong. Insurace is a great thing, but it seems that it give some vets a licience to print money!
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Post by dazycutter on Aug 1, 2011 15:52:56 GMT
honeybees, sorry, I am no where near you :-(
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Post by m@m on Aug 2, 2011 9:32:08 GMT
a few weeks ago i took a cocker in to vets who should of been in pup and was a couple of days late, asked for a scan to make sure everyhting was alright, they scanned her said theres definatley at least three pups in there, heart beats are all strong and to expect them over the next couple of days, stayed up all over weekend checking her still no sign on the monday, phoned them up, they said bring her down we'r give her a x ray incase we made a mistake for free, took her down there and they siad there's no pups in there, so whatever were they looking at, how you can get it that wrong i dont know, must of been looking at her vital organs or something, and listening to there own heat beat!
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Post by dazycutter on Aug 2, 2011 12:30:06 GMT
OMG.. now that is shocking... I now know how lucky I am to have such a good vet..
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Post by pipkin1 on Aug 4, 2011 22:03:41 GMT
had a rotti 20 yrs ago who suddenly developed milk! took her to the vet , he said she had 24 hrs to give birth? we were gobsmacked ! she hadnt been near a dog! 2 weeks later nothing! he said she disolved them!! ugh! then realised we had aquired 2 kittens and the milk was for them ! BLESS x . 4 months later same again vet said she should be spayed as it was her 9nth phantom ! she was booked in and 2 days before she gave birth to 2 pups!! god knows where from but they were totally healthy and by the looks it was an alasation!! so just shows some vets cant really tell!! and to top it all took them for a vet check! totally healthy, then at 4 weeks we realised that one of them had an extra toe on each foot he looked like a bear!!
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Post by JaysMum on Aug 5, 2011 8:52:32 GMT
I realise the vet used metacam because of possible arthritis but if you find yourself in this situation again; I personally would ask for Rimadyl. rimadyl is worse than metacam..... it can cause stomach ulcers and friends dog nearly died because of it. metacam may not be licensed for use in a pup under 6months, but it is not also licensed for use in horses but vets use it to treat laminitis, it works and does not cause any other problems |
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Post by kayjayem on Aug 5, 2011 22:20:39 GMT
There is a metacam oral suspension specifically, and fully licenced, for horses!
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Post by JaysMum on Aug 6, 2011 21:41:01 GMT
There is a metacam oral suspension specifically, and fully licenced, for horses! did not know this... must have changed since the time it was used for lami.. wasnt licensed then |
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Post by honeybees on Aug 14, 2011 21:30:48 GMT
Jaysmum "it can cause stomach ulcers and friends dog nearly died because of it"
This side effect is extremely rare unless given a high overdose or if there is reduced blood flow via the kidneys.
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Post by Sam on Aug 15, 2011 10:15:39 GMT
Im just glad reading this that i got a good vet, pay him by direct debit so dont have to worry too much about vet bills, he is totally honest and will come out anytime, he will say if to PTS straight away if he thinks there is no hope but saying that my sheep dog Fern been in the vets all weekend, took her in Saturday as she looked in pain, he was worried about her, has given me regular updates and just waiting to hear from him now.
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Post by dazycutter on Aug 17, 2011 17:19:06 GMT
Jaysmum "it can cause stomach ulcers and friends dog nearly died because of it" This side effect is extremely rare unless given a high overdose or if there is reduced blood flow via the kidneys. It certainly can... then again, there is a drug commonly taken daily by people, causes stomach ulcers, gastro intestinal bleeds and even death.. yes good old aspirin.. most prescription drugs have a risk benefit ratio and should be used accordingly. I use both metacam and Rimadyl with no problems |
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Post by honeybees on Aug 17, 2011 22:50:45 GMT
I know there are risk(s) too any drug we or our pets take; Although I'm not really suprised by the aspirin thing if they are taking it daily or to regulary.
I was mearly pointing out that if my vet gave my dog rimadyl and they ended up with a stomach ulcer I would questioning their dosage etc.
I'm not stating that the dog may have had a bad reaction to it, we all react differntely too each differnet drug.
I was merely offering my personal opinon. I'm not that averse to Metacam, I just prefer my own vet to use rimadyl.
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Post by dazycutter on Aug 18, 2011 9:28:17 GMT
sorry honeybees, I was not questioning you at all and your opinion is very useful... we all have to be careful with what we give our animals and do take advice from the vets.. hence the reason for this thread.. there are a lot of idiots out there.
I think if you have had a bad experience with one type of drug, then you will of course shy away from it. Both Rymadil and metacam are from the family of NSAID's so can potentially have the same side effects of stomach upset/ulcers etc...
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Post by Sam on Aug 18, 2011 10:29:21 GMT
Fern died 3 am yesterday, vet said she was so full of infection there was nothing he could do, she was at home with me and that was the main thing
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Post by dazycutter on Aug 18, 2011 11:34:19 GMT
Oh cammarch, I am so sorry....what a shock for you... did the vet say what may have caused this!
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Post by Sam on Aug 18, 2011 12:50:30 GMT
No, she was fat and healthy with a shining coat and just on Saturday her neck was stretched out and breathing heavily, still ate her food mind so took her in, he kept her in till Monday where he had x rayed her and taken blood, x ray showed something on her lungs, took blood off her monday, results showed heavy infection and low white blood and she just died with me.
Totally gutted, she was the one that my 16 month old would climb on top of, kiss, put food in her mouth and then take it out she was just so good.
Will really miss her
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Post by dazycutter on Aug 18, 2011 17:26:38 GMT
oh bless her... poor girl... sounds like she picked up a pretty nasty infection.. RIP little Fern....
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Post by honeybees on Aug 18, 2011 18:42:04 GMT
Oh God, I'm so sorry to hear this Cammarch ... xx RIP Fern xx
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Post by Bonnyville on Oct 13, 2011 20:50:19 GMT
Yeah, we breed Miniature Schnauzers, they cut open one of our dogs who is beautiful just because he had eaten rabbit droppings and was sick a couple of times. Then they said oh theres nothing wrong with him make sure he has plenty of water ..... They only did all that to him bc he had insurance.....  |
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its still a pup!.......
