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Post by carol on Jan 24, 2007 20:56:53 GMT
hi can anyone tell me who much it costs to treat sarcoids with liverpool cream my daughter has come home today and said this has to be done! or any other help/advise would be much appreciated
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Post by Molly on Jan 24, 2007 21:14:43 GMT
At my vets they offer it for around £150, because they have to apply it, you either have to take the horse to the vets or pay a call out fee.
Or for a simple operation its about £200, which in the long run would probably be cheaper as you would have to pay for call out fee's for the cream.
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Post by twinkle on Jan 24, 2007 21:28:03 GMT
We had this treatment for my horse and it worked really well. I can't remember how much it cost tho, but can find out if you like? Our vet had to come out to apply the cream quite a few times, but it was well worth it as the sarcoids totally went and didn't come back.
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Post by carol on Jan 24, 2007 21:46:44 GMT
hi thanks was that £150 for just the cream or for the vet to come out plus the cream. daughter says that its 5 days of vet coming out so thats about £20 per visit does this sound right. it doesnt sound like it can be operated on as they are in the armpit she says its about an inch long but fairly flatish. the vet wont confirm until liverpool has seen pics but we are not insured just took out basic so really need to know full costs
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Post by Molly on Jan 24, 2007 21:57:34 GMT
I am not too sure.Will find out and let you know.x
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Post by lolly on Jan 25, 2007 9:14:18 GMT
Hi just had my youngster treated and it cost £73.00per visit for call out and cream application , needed 5 visits but I am covered on the insurance although have to pay a excess.
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Post by pho3nix on Jan 25, 2007 9:25:41 GMT
blummin eck! £365 for the week, that seems a little excessive for a cream application, but then the health of a horse is paramount.
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Post by dillis on Jan 25, 2007 9:25:55 GMT
How long after the treatment does it take for sarcoids to actually go and the area heal fully?
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Post by lolly on Jan 25, 2007 10:00:59 GMT
The pony was unsettled for about two weeks during treatment (every three days) and dropped weight, but he is fine now a month later and the scabs have fell off leaving a hairless patch. The vet is coming out today just to check everything fine, at my request It is a lot of money but the worst thing you can do is do nothing and I felt this was the best option for us.
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Post by Trying to help on Jan 25, 2007 10:16:51 GMT
We had a animal that had a sarcoid in a similar place , after long discussion we decided to try a product called camrosa (advertised in H and H ) I must stress that while the cost of the vet cream were taken into account it wasn't the deciding factor. What helped us decide to take this action was that the vet advised us that the cream was a fairly uncomfortable and painful experience for the horse. So we decided that as the sarcoid haven't grown in 3 months we would give camrosa a try first. i am happy to report that the sarcoid has now dropped off and bar a small amount of scar tissue their is no evidence of it ever being there.
Please don't jump on me for this post i am merely trying to give you the benefit of my experience with this problem and in no way am i saying the vet or the Liverpool are not any good , its just purely another suggestions that i found after hours of searching the net.
Hope it all works out for you.
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Post by sarcoid info on Jan 25, 2007 10:43:07 GMT
Hiya I had my 3 yr old treated with the liverpool cream last july, he had a medium size sarcoid on his chest but he also had 2 tiny lumps in his armpit and a very very small lump under the skin in his girth region so the vet advised the cream rather than a op. The vet came out 5 times every 3 days to put the cream on, the area was very sore and swollen, in fact he had to have some bute as he was in quite a lot of discomfort. The scabs took ages to drop off(approx 2 months)and the swelling was there for 3 months! and now he is left with a couple of smallish lumps under the skin that i think is scar tissue. It cost me £248 for the whole treatment including call out fees which i thought was reasonable. I am now praying they don't come back! the vet did say the younger the horse is and the earlier they are treated the less chance they have on reoccuring. I think it depends were the sarcoid is and what type it is as to which treatment the vet recommends as my friend 's horse had a sarcoid on the inside of his back leg and that was removed by operation which cost £400 he is left with a scar although he was back in work a lot quicker (4wks). Hope this helps
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Post by chocoholic on Jan 25, 2007 12:33:59 GMT
I have just had the vet out for my youungster as she has a small sarcoid on the folds of skin between her front legs. He advised leaving it as cutting it out would potentialy aggravate the problem and make it far worse. He also said that the Liverpool cream would burn a hole. I have been told before that feeding immune aid by Gro-Well gets rid of them, but haven't tried Camosa. A close friend of mine tells that a "traveller" charmed the warts off her pony's nose!
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Post by Global herbs on Jan 25, 2007 13:37:54 GMT
Has anyone else tried the global herbs product for sarcoids my friend has had great results with the powder, there event horse developed massive ones and on this powder they have started to fall out! They swear by it....
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Post by pho3nix on Jan 25, 2007 14:45:38 GMT
We had a animal that had a sarcoid in a similar place , after long discussion we decided to try a product called camrosa (advertised in H and H ) I must stress that while the cost of the vet cream were taken into account it wasn't the deciding factor. What helped us decide to take this action was that the vet advised us that the cream was a fairly uncomfortable and painful experience for the horse. So we decided that as the sarcoid haven't grown in 3 months we would give camrosa a try first. i am happy to report that the sarcoid has now dropped off and bar a small amount of scar tissue their is no evidence of it ever being there. Please don't jump on me for this post i am merely trying to give you the benefit of my experience with this problem and in no way am i saying the vet or the Liverpool are not any good , its just purely another suggestions that i found after hours of searching the net. Hope it all works out for you. Pile on!!!! hehe if it worked for you and your horse, then it will probably work for others the more options the better i say ;D
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Post by kilty on Jan 25, 2007 14:54:37 GMT
Another one to try is tying a rubber band tightly around the sarcoid to cut off blood supply - it will fall off after a wee while.
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Post by lesleym on Jan 25, 2007 15:04:51 GMT
I have had 3 horses with sarcoids. I have had all 3 treatments, cutting them out, Liverpool cream and camarosa. It was back in the good old days when you could put the Liverpool cream on yourself before some nut spoilt it by putting the cream in their horses eyes. So now the vet has to administer it, thus making that option more expensive. I would say the Liverpool cream is great but in very invasive and the horses are very sensative with it. the camarosa cream is great and cheaper but does take a lot longer. cutting out is not the best option as it leaves a scar .
I would say depending on they type, size and location of the sarcoid would make me and the vet decide on the course of treatment
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Post by carol on Jan 25, 2007 15:59:22 GMT
thanks for all the advice keep it coming please! i have been to see for myself and there are several there is one on the crease of the inner leg and one in the pocket of the other front leg (dont know terms) both of these are fairly flat but have little round bumps on them then there is another on the chest it is only very small but feels like a definate round lump. my daughters panickin saying that show season is starting soon and if she got the liverpool cream he wouldnt be able to be ridden for a while (hes newly broken) what results and how long has it taken with the camrosa? and has anyone heard of using crest toothpaste or clear nail varnish these have been mentioned to me today?
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Post by lesleym on Jan 25, 2007 16:15:52 GMT
sarcoids usually follow the main artery so that sound about right. they sound like the sarcoids one of my horses had and it took about 2 months from start to finish with the Camarosa cream. I have not heard of the other things you have mentioned though
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Post by carol on Jan 25, 2007 17:09:23 GMT
hi lesleym i have rung the people at camrosa and they were nice. they told me that it can take upto 6 months and they can get bigger is this right also do you know which type of sarcoids your horse had?
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Post by lolly on Jan 26, 2007 10:20:48 GMT
Dr Knottenbelt at Liverpool University strongly advises against using Camrosa, they say it can cause terrible problems with some sarcoids causing mass spreading and growth. There is a good website that tells you about sarcoid facts. pcwww.liv.ac.uk/sarcoidDr Knottenbelt also has a saying, "The only predictable thing about the equine sarcoid is that it is unpredictable" I am not saying he is right or wrong but the man is a specialist who has devoted many years of time and effort into researching them.
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Post by lesleym on Jan 26, 2007 10:52:27 GMT
my horses had Fibroblastic Sarcoid and Verrucose Sarcoid but not near as big as those in the pics. I caught the horses sarcoids really early on which gave me the best chance to get rid of them. I never had problem with the camarosa cream spreading growth but as I say my horses were small to start with. I really think that you have to have your vet help check what the best process would be for the horse though. If you dont want a call out then take a picture of the sarcoid and show you vet or send it to Camarosa or the vet at Liverpool
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Post by carol on Jan 26, 2007 12:27:54 GMT
thank you all for your help. after seeing those pictures ive panicked and called the vet. he informs me the cream itself cost £75 then the 5 visits on top plus a consultation visit should cost £250 so ive called them out. i thought it would be a lot more as everyone keeps saying it an insurance job but ive also ordered camrosa as it looks good for cuts etc (my daughters now smiling) and the vet also says the pony should still be ok to be ridden whick is good as hes a baby and dont really want to stop the schooling just as shes got going!!! but thankyou all.
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